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Has anyone noticed that the tines on your pens get misaligned meaning that one tine is higher than the other. I experiences this with a M800, which was fixed at a pen show by Masuyama, and now my m400. The M800 is a fine, which i thought might be more prone to misalignment because the tines are thinner but now the m400, which is a medium, is doing the same thing.


Mike Masuyama did comment on the design of the pelikan nib units. The way the nib is only held in place at the end makes it highly likely that when the unit is screwed into the barrel that the torsional forces exerted will misalign the feed to the nib. This causes the nib to not rest evenly on the feed and the feed pressing on one of the tines.


He also observed that the tines on the m800 were not symmetrical, with one tine ever so slightly wider than the other. Now i see the same on the m400 and having the same problem with misalignment.


Last year I asked the same question on other forums and others have commented on how I held the pen and maybe that was the problem. At the time I had one year less experience and also less experience with other pens. Now one year later, i'm sure I'm holding the pens the correct way and none of my other pens have this problem.


Can you guys chime in with your experiences? Sorry I'm not able to take a photo that will actually show what I'm talking about.


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sirgilbert357 Antique

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I haven't had this issue. When screwing the nib in, it shouldn't be torqued down so hard that you could move the nib. If that happens, you're doing it much too hard or holding the nib incorrectly while doing it (or both).

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IMO, in it is often a theme here with many or all pens, the display case that is packed in will do fine on a pallet to a wholesaler, but after that, the whole pen is not bubble wrapped good enough in a mailing case to get through rough machine and human handling. (Goulet (sp) does a good job at that...can be dropped out of a high flying B-52 and bounce.)

 

Way back in the Dark Ages, some University wanted to proof how much stress a package went through and packed an analogue gauge in it....which arrived broken. That was back in the days before robots and out of work NFL punters worked in the post office.

 

Too many Youtube showing all the name pens being nib tested, for the nib to be cr*ap before it left the factory.

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One m600 old style, two recent m205, zero problems.

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I sent an m600 to a highly respected nibmeister to be stubbed, and it returned with the tines misaligned. Go figure!

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Are you removing and replacing the nibs often? If the feed/nib become slightly misaligned in the collar one side will go higher than the other.


Could you be pressing on one nib more than the other while writing and moving things around? Ideally both tines should be on the paper.


That said, I've knocked a few out of whack over the years but corrected the problem quickly myself.

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I have 29 Pelikans (and one on the way) and fortunately never have experienced this problem. Sorry that it has happened twice to you - I think the thing to check is if it is something you do or you just have had inordinate bad luck (which can also happen - somebody's got to win the lottery!).

 

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Has to be the mail, bet it don't happen in a B&M. Bigger packages from the wholesaler are to heavy to be thrown around.

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Those who offer services have a vested interest in the product needing service.

 

Richard binder tells on his website how to change a nib.

 

My Pelikans don't seem to be misaligned.

 

Masuyama's comment is opinion. The nib appears to me to be securely held. Again, that's opinion.

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Bought a new M805, tines were off by a couple of millimeters. Sent the nib back for a new one. My New M200 was perfect.

 

 

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A few hundred birds at my disposal and this is NOT something that I have regularly experienced. Sorry to hear that you have had issues with yours.

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A few hundred birds at my disposal and this is NOT something that I have regularly experienced. Sorry to hear that you have had issues with yours.

 

 

This is my experience as well.

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A few hundred birds at my disposal and this is NOT something that I have regularly experienced. Sorry to hear that you have had issues with yours.

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

This is my experience as well.

 

Thank you.

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If you're removing and reinstalling the nib, be sure to hold the nib unit stationary, and turn the pen body, not vice versa, otherwise you are applying a twisting/shearing motion to the nib relative to the feed.

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Happens to me that (1) the nib arrives with tines misaligned, (2) the tines adjust to my hand - holding the nib at an angle. Seems pretty typical of Pelikan to me.

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