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#1 Tyler541344

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Posted 24 September 2018 - 18:51

Hello, I have been considering some different flex pens for copperplate and as I can already write with a fountain pen and messed about with some of my friends flex pens, which pen would be better. I am looking mainly at either a modified fountain pen with a zebra g nib, a cheep calligraphy set or a vintage Conway Stewart 759. Any help would be appreciated.



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#2 WLSpec

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Posted 24 September 2018 - 23:15

I'd go with the Conway Stewart. Other good flex pens include Noodler's Ahab/Conrad, or a Pilot Falcon.


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Posted 25 September 2018 - 02:17

No modern fountain pen that isn't custom ground will REALLY be good for copperplate. I have one pen that can do it.

 

A noodlers ahab will easily take a dip nib, so as long as you're willing to replace the nib every 1-3 months depending on use and how you store it (usually about $0.90 a nib) the ahab is kind of the king of fountain pens for copperplate on a budget.



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Posted 25 September 2018 - 06:44

Thanks. I've found another pen as well a fountain pen called Vintage Mentmore Diploma Fountain Pen and was wondering your opinions

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Posted 25 September 2018 - 07:07

I think you've double-posted. See my reply on your other thread. Happy flexing, --h



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Posted 25 September 2018 - 09:11

It is all down to the nib. For cursive writing a medium and flexi nib is your best bet but for copper plate I would say that an italic or stub nib is better.

 

The Conway and Mentmore are much of a muchness as pens. If you want it for copper plate writing, the cheap calligraphy set is the better bet.

 

As pens, I would go with the Conway. The finish is usually better.



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Posted 25 September 2018 - 11:48

I think you've double-posted. See my reply on your other thread. Happy flexing, --h

 

Indeed he has.  I suggest the moderators merge this thread into the other one.



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Posted 26 September 2018 - 00:41

Desiderata?


"Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination."
Oscar Wilde

#9 BaronWulfraed

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 00:47

 

Indeed he has.  I suggest the moderators merge this thread into the other one.

 

I suspect part of the confusion is that one of the threads is the result moving from a different category altogether.



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Posted 26 September 2018 - 07:33

Hello, I have been considering some different flex pens for copperplate and as I can already write with a fountain pen and messed about with some of my friends flex pens, which pen would be better. I am looking mainly at either a modified fountain pen with a zebra g nib, a cheep calligraphy set or a vintage Conway Stewart 759. Any help would be appreciated.

 

I'd really like you to consider looking at steel dip pens and a holder...

https://www.jetpens....inations/pt/763

 

While there are fountain pen nibs that have some flex, the control and flexibility and the low cost of dip pens means you can experiment and learn and try things without the frustration (not to mention risk) in trying to learn control while writing with a fountain pen.  Good copperplate comes from being able to make smooth curves combined with controlling the pressure on the nib to get the tines to spread and close back up. 

 

After you get a feel for different dip pens what style you like, then trying out different "flexible" fountain pens might be less frustrating.... Also, both in fountain pens and dip pens, there are different behaviors and people develop different preferences. It's not so much as "best" but more what feel you personally like.

 

Good luck



#11 putteringpenman

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 18:41

I recently bought a Desiderata Pen. It has a Zebra G dip pen nib on it but had a fountain pen feed on it. It works great and I use it for Copperplate. It flexes just like a pointed dip pen without the hassle of dipping the nib in ink.


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- Pilot Custom 823 <M> with Pilot Blue-Black

- Pilot Metropolitan <M> with Pilot Black

- Lamy Safari <F> with Pilot Iroshizuku Take-Sumi

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#12 djmaher

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 19:29

Every time I see the word, I cannot help but think...

 

I hope posting this is not inappropriate.  Just wanted to share, on a quiet Friday afternoon.

 

I have had this poem hanging in my home for many years.

 

 

Desiderata 
 

  • Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
    and remember what peace there may be in silence.
    As far as possible without surrender
    be on good terms with all persons.
    Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
    and listen to others,
    even the dull and the ignorant;
    they too have their story. 

  • Avoid loud and aggressive persons,
    they are vexations to the spirit.
    If you compare yourself with others,
    you may become vain and bitter;
    for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
    Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. 

  •  

     

    Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
    it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
    Exercise caution in your business affairs;
    for the world is full of trickery.
    But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
    many persons strive for high ideals;
    and everywhere life is full of heroism.
  •  

    Be yourself.
    Especially, do not feign affection.
    Neither be cynical about love;
    for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment
    it is as perennial as the grass.

  •  

    Take kindly the counsel of the years,
    gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
    Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
    But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
    Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
    Beyond a wholesome discipline,
    be gentle with yourself

  •  

    You are a child of the universe,
    no less than the trees and the stars;
    you have a right to be here.
    And whether or not it is clear to you,
    no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. 

  •  

     

    Therefore be at peace with God,
    whatever you conceive Him to be,
    and whatever your labors and aspirations,
    in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
  •  

    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
    it is still a beautiful world.
    Be cheerful.
    Strive to be happy. 

  •  

     

    Max Ehrmann, Desiderata, Copyright 1952

.....the Heart has it's reasons, which Reason knows nothing of.....

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 18:46

And here’s the answer song, from the dearly departed National Lampoon:

Deteriorata

Go placidly
Amid the noise and waste.
And remember what comfort there may be
In owning a piece thereof.

Avoid quiet and passive persons
Unless you are in need of sleep.

Ro-tate your tires.

Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself
And heed well their advice,
Even though they be turkeys.

Know what to kiss... And when!

Consider that two wrongs never make a right
But that three... Do.

Wherever possible, put people on hold.

Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment
And despite the changing fortunes of time,
There is always a big future in computer main-te-nance.

Remember the Pueblo.

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mu-ti-late.

Know yourself.
If you need help, call the fbi.

Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
Especially with those persons closest to you.
That lemon on your left, for instance.

Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
Would scarcely get your feet wet.

Fall not in love therefore;
It will stick to your face.

Gracefully surrender the things of youth:
The birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan
And let not the sands of time
Get in your lunch.

Hire people with hooks.

For a good time call 606-4311;
Ask for "Ken."

Take heart amid the deepening gloom
That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.

And reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot
It could only be worse in Milwaukee.

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Therefore, make peace with your god
Whatever you conceive him to be
Hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.

With all it's hopes, dreams, promises and urban renewal
The world continues to deteriorate.

Give up!

#14 PrestoTenebroso

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 03:35

 

 

I recently bought a Desiderata Pen. It has a Zebra G dip pen nib on it but had a fountain pen feed on it. It works great and I use it for Copperplate. It flexes just like a pointed dip pen without the hassle of dipping the nib in ink.

 

 

 

Every time I see the word, I cannot help but think...

 

I hope posting this is not inappropriate.  Just wanted to share, on a quiet Friday afternoon.

 

I have had this poem hanging in my home for many years.

 

 

Desiderata 
 

  • Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
    and remember what peace there may be in silence.
    As far as possible without surrender
    be on good terms with all persons.
    Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
    and listen to others,
    even the dull and the ignorant;
    they too have their story. 

  • Avoid loud and aggressive persons,
    they are vexations to the spirit.
    If you compare yourself with others,
    you may become vain and bitter;
    for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
    Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. 

  •  

     

    Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
    it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
    Exercise caution in your business affairs;
    for the world is full of trickery.
    But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
    many persons strive for high ideals;
    and everywhere life is full of heroism.
  •  

    Be yourself.
    Especially, do not feign affection.
    Neither be cynical about love;
    for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment
    it is as perennial as the grass.

  •  

    Take kindly the counsel of the years,
    gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
    Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
    But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
    Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
    Beyond a wholesome discipline,
    be gentle with yourself

  •  

    You are a child of the universe,
    no less than the trees and the stars;
    you have a right to be here.
    And whether or not it is clear to you,
    no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. 

  •  

     

    Therefore be at peace with God,
    whatever you conceive Him to be,
    and whatever your labors and aspirations,
    in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
  •  

    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
    it is still a beautiful world.
    Be cheerful.
    Strive to be happy. 

  •  

     

    Max Ehrmann, Desiderata, Copyright 1952

 

This is a great thread. If you have any questions about the Desiderata Pen Company (I run it) or flex, just let me know. 







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