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Sailor To Discontinue/replace Current Naginata Line?

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#21 paulliao99

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 08:12

Thanks for posting this. I can't read it. Is there any news about KOP size nibs?

Hi Zaddick...sorry about that...I attached it mainly to show the prices...no...nothing mentioned about KOP nibs...I think they're considered just Oversized and not specialty nibs since they do not take any special handling to make?  



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#22 Ronderick

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 01:28

Yep.... definitely the ink replacement scheme all over again, with the cheapest price starting at 50,000 yen (500 bucks).

 

To make matters more interesting: 首軸はオリジナルペン先シリーズの専用サイズ

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that there's a change with the grip part. So does that mean the nib is no longer interchangeable with other PF and PG line pens?



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Posted 29 September 2018 - 02:21

I hope there is a larger converter with the new pen and nibs.🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

#24 Pen_Padawan

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 02:23

This is extremely good marketing, right after the Pilot anniversary announcements, now Im really confused on what to buy next!

#25 minddance

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 02:35

I hope there is a larger converter with the new pen and nibs.🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼


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These nibs go through ink quite fast eh? A larger convertor or better still, a piston, is very much welcomed.

#26 zchen

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 02:37

At least we can get the cross point nibs again. I have all the Naginata I need, but need cross points.



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Posted 30 September 2018 - 05:07

Yep.... definitely the ink replacement scheme all over again, with the cheapest price starting at 50,000 yen (500 bucks).

 

To make matters more interesting: 首軸はオリジナルペン先シリーズの専用サイズ

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that there's a change with the grip part. So does that mean the nib is no longer interchangeable with other PF and PG line pens?

 

That's what I'm reading also. Not sure on your question since the pens aren't available yet but it seems very, very possible.



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Posted 01 October 2018 - 21:35

I saw these pens in person a couple of weeks ago when we visited with President Hisa. I'm not allowed to say anything just yet, as there has yet to be confirmed pricing in the US. Suffice it to say I will be carrying these so stay tuned for more details.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 15:40

Last year I visited the Sailor factory at Kure. And Mr Nagahara was there working and making special nibs.
Also he introduced us three more people that he was supervising. I think that we won't have again a failure in the production.
The prices... market will talk.
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Posted 06 October 2018 - 21:50

Last year I visited the Sailor factory at Kure. And Mr Nagahara was there working and making special nibs.
Also he introduced us three more people that he was supervising. I think that we won't have again a failure in the production.
The prices... market will talk.

 

So they are working to dramatically increase supply, which makes it all the more confusing why their dramatically increasing their prices. I understand demand is high, but I think they're getting ahead of themselves.



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Posted 08 October 2018 - 01:36



 

So they are working to dramatically increase supply, which makes it all the more confusing why their dramatically increasing their prices. I understand demand is high, but I think they're getting ahead of themselves.

 

 

You said it yourself: demand is high. That's as good a reason as any for increasing the price of a (class of) product in a rational, capitalist marketplace in which supply is effectively a monopoly and the sentiments of individual (prospective) customers are treated with due regard, i.e. not so important to business results at a macro level.

 

I don't like it as a consumer, but just like you, I am nobody to Sailor in the big picture.


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#32 mke

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 02:09

Never used one of these nibs. Are they so special in writing (not in looking at)?



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Posted 08 October 2018 - 02:40



Never used one of these nibs. Are they so special in writing (not in looking at)?

 

I own two – a Naginata Concord (NK), and a Naginata Concord Emperor (NKE) – but have only used the former of those so far; the latter is still in a pen that is factory-sealed in a plastic sleeve. It's certainly well-made, and an interesting nib with which to write; and, yes, it is special in the sense the user can get different writing outcomes from it. That doesn't necessarily mean that one couldn't get similar results from, say, a Sailor Zoom nib, or a custom/architect's grind, etc. depending on what the user actually wants.

 

Some of my writing samples with:

• Naginata Concord nib: here, here and here

• Sailor Zoom nib: here and here

 

The range of line widths with brush-like strokes that one can get out of the Naginata Concord nib is wider than that from a Zoom nib. On the other hand, for cursive writing in English, I think a user is more likely to get the desired manner of line variation.

 

Sailor has some cheap pen models with Fude de Mannen nibs (which is essentially an upside-down Concord nib, but I find the design of the Concord nib more suitable for my purposes), and there are also Naginata Fude de Mannen nibs, but of course the build quality in the cheaper ones are not nearly in the same league; that I can tell you from first-hand experience. I also have a Duke pen with a Fude nib, and it doesn't even write properly upside-down to lay down a fine line consistently.

 

I don't know about Naginata Togi nibs, as I don't have one and never used one.


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#34 mke

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 02:52

This is educating and interesting - your samples show clearly what is possible with these nibs. :thumbup:

Thank you, but nothing for me. Hurray, that saved me a lot of money which I will throw out otherwise (there are still several entries on my wishlist). 



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Posted 08 October 2018 - 03:35

 
 
You said it yourself: demand is high. That's as good a reason as any for increasing the price of a (class of) product in a rational, capitalist marketplace in which supply is effectively a monopoly and the sentiments of individual (prospective) customers are treated with due regard, i.e. not so important to business results at a macro level.
 
I don't like it as a consumer, but just like you, I am nobody to Sailor in the big picture.


They would know their supply and demand curve better than me, but it sounds like they could triple their supply. Demand was outpacing the previous supply but I would be surprised if that outpacing warrants such a big price jump, especially once they start faster production.

#36 Ronderick

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Posted 31 October 2018 - 03:05

OK, looks like the revamped special nib info page is back at Sailor's website:

 

http://www.sailor.co.jp/lineup/specialnib?fbclid=IwAR1D_cGlxbNnQeUpYu9QFQIx_qpHj0Fj2JuJfYYQ6IKraJagbIYImtZkjwA 



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Posted 31 October 2018 - 05:38

The new Sailor special nib has the same feeder and same nib shape. So it's fully interchangeable with older ones.Or at least it's the case for Cross, Cross Music and NM nib.



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Posted 31 October 2018 - 05:59

I'm surprised there seems to be no more Cross*Emperor or King Eagle.


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Posted 05 November 2018 - 15:16

Sailor new Naginata nibs available for review at Itoya.

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 00:37

Will sailor ever make the King Eagle nib again?







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