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Does Anyone Else Try To Match Specific Inks To Specific Papers?

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#1 AriQuiteContrary

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 00:25

Some of you like to match specific inks to specific pens. And I do that myself, sometimes. But do any of you try to match specific inks to specific papers?

 
I really love Kaweco Paradise Blue but recently discovered that the strokes of ink form a weird greasy-looking halo, plus bleed-through, apparently only on cream-colored Rhodia paper after several months. I checked back in my Leuchtturm 1917 notebook where I had used the ink about a year or two ago with no such problems showing up (just a tiny bit of bleed-through).
 
And some inks look dulled on off-white paper, while others look richer. 
 
Right now I am trying to find a good A5 notebook match for J. Herbin Cacao Du Brésil, my all time favorite ink. I was using it in my Bullet Journals but the color visually made the dot grid on my journal pages look extremely prominent, causing each page to look like a crazy Svengali hypnotic pattern (i.e. hard to read)!   I’ve been trying lighter dot-grids than what is in the Rhodia “goalbook,” but I may have to move to a lined or blank journal if I want to use my favorite ink. 
 
What inks and papers do you like to use together?

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 00:40

I'll admit that I use all sorts of inks on all sorts of paper.  If I'm making lists, I'm often doing it on scrap paper, which is printer paper where the front side is no longer needed (stuff like scavenger hunts I've run).  My morning pages journals for the last couple of years have been the Miquelrius 300 page jobs -- and then it's whatever pen I feel like using on any given day.  When I was working on a research project last year, a lot of my notes were on one of the large (legal size) Rhodia pads (the slightly bigger than 11 x 14 size ones, and then when I used up the pad (only writing on one side) I switched over to a blank pages on from Paper for Fountain Pens that had Tomoe River paper.  

The only time I really try to match paper to ink is when I'm trying to do calligraphy, in which case I'm often using Tomoe River.  But I don't really pay a lot of attention to what color inks look better or worse on, say, yellow vs. cream vs. white.

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 09:21

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 11:39

I almost exclusively write on off-white or cream papers, but I do have some whatever papers for some of my brighter inks when I have something joyous to share via snail mail.

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 19:09

I prefer bright, white paper so the the color of the ink stands out. The only real matching I do is using inks that preform well on the copy paper at work - minimal show/bleed, fast dry, etc - whatever color it is.


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Posted 19 August 2018 - 03:14

I'll admit that I use all sorts of inks on all sorts of paper.  If I'm making lists, I'm often doing it on scrap paper, which is printer paper where the front side is no longer needed (stuff like scavenger hunts I've run)....Paper for Fountain Pens that had Tomoe River paper.  
The only time I really try to match paper to ink is when I'm trying to do calligraphy, in which case I'm often using Tomoe River.  But I don't really pay a lot of attention to what color inks look better or worse on, say, yellow vs. cream vs. white.
Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth


Tomoe paper is really lovely, isn’t it?

I started using fountain pens relatively recently and only for writing in my journals or drawing or sketching. I intended to confine my fountain pen use to just those purposes, but have found that I seldom like to write with much else these days. So now I use fountain pens on any old paper and whenever as well. But I am still picky about what paper I use in my journals, even more than what I use for my sketchbooks.

You keep morning pages...are you an artist or writer?

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 03:16

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I enjoyed reading about your different uses for ink and paper.

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 03:21

I almost exclusively write on off-white or cream papers, but I do have some whatever papers for some of my brighter inks when I have something joyous to share via snail mail.


I used to write letters all the time when I was a kid and youth. I still have some of the ones I received back from as early as when I was eight years old! Then email and busy work schedules came along. Do you write to friends and relatives or belong to a snail mail exchange?

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 03:22

I prefer bright, white paper so the the color of the ink stands out. The only real matching I do is using inks that preform well on the copy paper at work - minimal show/bleed, fast dry, etc - whatever color it is.


Which bright white paper do you like best?

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 09:11

Which bright white paper do you like best?

 

A couple years back, work switched from Staples 20 lb to Kelly Copy 20 lb. The Kelly is far better, 98 brightness v. 92, the surface is smoother (allowing for a bit of sheen), and with less bleed/show and feathering. $4.76/ream directly from kellypaper.com


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Posted 19 August 2018 - 09:19

I do not match particular ink to particular pens nor particular paper, but I do try to find out what kind of paper / pen / ink / combo that do not work and will actively avoid such .. only time I would match certain ink to certain paper is when the end demand the means, say legal document, archival need, important data collecting etc ... I've once work volunteer on archeological artifacts documenting ( on site and later ) and I made sure the paper and ink are there to stay 



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Posted 19 August 2018 - 12:19

I used to write letters all the time when I was a kid and youth. I still have some of the ones I received back from as early as when I was eight years old! Then email and busy work schedules came along. Do you write to friends and relatives or belong to a snail mail exchange?


I had a couple of pen pals via the forum here, and a couple of other friends that I write to. More often than not though, it's letters written in my role as the Lorekeeper of my Kindred.

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Posted 22 August 2018 - 02:55

All I use nowadays is pilot blue black on Rhoda/clairefontaine paper. Tried lots of paper and ink in past and this is what works for me.

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Posted 22 August 2018 - 10:53

I don't know that I try to match the ink to the paper ... But I've certainly ended up using specific paper for inks.  I mentioned in another thread just now that I ended up with a Diamine ink (boring old Violet) that I didn't care for when I took a stationer's advice for a replacement instead of asking to test it.  The truth is, I only hate it on white, non-absorbent paper.  On my journal, with a slightly absorbent 120gsm cream paper, it comes out such a rich, satisfying colour with sacks of character.  (Despite my protestations of hate, this ink is staying with me because of the journal.)  Similarly, Diamine Havasu Turquoise pops pleasingly on Rhodia with a fine nib.

 

So I don't set out to match ink with paper, but there's some ink that only ever ends up on one type of paper.



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Posted 22 August 2018 - 14:29

I wouldn't say I match paper to ink, I did invest in decent paper such as Clairefontaine, Rhodia, Tomoe River and some inks have a peculiar behaviour in some papers, e.g. Rohrer & Klingner Verdigris with a Pelikan m205 and a small bit of cellophane looks much darker in Tomoe River than on HP LJ 32 lbs, and Rouge Hematite with a Lamy Vista looks orange instead of red.


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Posted 22 August 2018 - 17:07

You keep morning pages...are you an artist or writer?

 

My background is mostly as an artist -- I was an art major in college, and then worked for a few years doing commercial art at various places (traditional layout and pasteup) but my job skills are now obsolete.  I did minor in Creative Writing though -- mostly poetry back then, but I'm now trying my hand at fiction as well.  

Doing the MP journal is what got me into fountain pens (although when I was a kid I thought they were kinda neat) -- in order to get myself into the habit of doing pages regularly, I decided to get myself a nice journal and a "nice" pen.  I started out with a Parker Reflex, then after the rubber on the section disintegrated bought a replacement one; when the same thing happened to the second one, and I couldn't easily find a third, I upgraded to a Parker Vector, and when I accidentally left the pen and the then current journal at my brother-in-law's house (and didn't get it back for about a month) I found that writing entries with a ballpoint just wasn't the same experience somehow.  In the process of finding a replacement until I got that pen and journal volume back, I went online and eventually found my way here -- and the rest is um, history... (I still have that Vector, and even though thebarrel has cracked at the threading I inked it up a couple of days ago, after stealing the converter from a different Vector; looks as if another Parker twist converter is on my shopping list for the next pen show I get to... :huh:).

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Posted 03 September 2018 - 20:29

As a college student, I constantly need to consider ink and paper combinations. Let's face it: The handouts I get for assignments or tests or simply handouts that I need to take some notes on will NOT be on FP-friendly paper, so if I plan to use a FP despite that, I need it to an ink that can handle cheap nasty copy paper. And at the same time, I need color options.

 

The right inks can handle a variety of paper types, from Clairefontaine to copier paper.

 

But it also helps to use a fine nib, to expand my options.



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Posted 06 September 2018 - 20:30

Yes, but I'm not OCD ... okay, I've never been diagnosed.  But really... some inks perform better in some pens and some inks just look better and write better on some papers. Oh and that recycled paper calls out for the largest ball point possible.  


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Posted 10 September 2018 - 19:30

In a word, nope!

I am desperately poor, and notoriously cheap.  Hence, I use what paper I can get cheaply.  Most often this is the reverse of the Georgia Pacific "Basic" print/ copy paper at Walmart, which is 20lb letter sized copy paper with 88 brightness.  We print it on one side, set it aside, and eventually I three-hole punch it and put it in ringbinders for use in class, where it gets my notes, and in my demented scribbling reflection journal.

I also have some old Norcom/ Walmart narrow ruled 8x10.5 spiral bound 70 sheet notebooks, which are (unfortunately) college ruled and enhace feathering.  I'm using one as a bullet journal right now.

And I just dilute the inks that feather, as much as is required, and generally prefer fine nibs anyway.



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Posted 11 September 2018 - 01:09

No, I do not match paper to ink or vice versa. The papers I use are cheap, some are pocket-change cheap.

I tend to match papers to nibs.

Some papers, despite the low cost, work very well with nibs - adequate balance of smoothness and feedback, not too hard, reasonable line width.





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