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Hard Starts Depending On The Paper

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#1 bobshephard

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Posted 15 August 2018 - 04:08

I've seen with one of my wing sung 3008 pens that there's always hard starts on cheaper paper. If i press hard on the nib, the flow resumes but is a bit too wet. It does not write with it's own weight. This led me to think it had baby's bottom since the tines appeared aligned.

 

However, when I use Tomoe River paper, it writes the first time every time. It also delivers a wet line, not a faint one.

 

So is it a feed issue? I've never had this kind of a problem before. There's no issues with the feed keeping up with Tomoe River. I'm willing to experiment on this pen as well and would love any advice!



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Posted 15 August 2018 - 12:22

I've seen with one of my wing sung 3008 pens that there's always hard starts on cheaper paper. If i press hard on the nib, the flow resumes but is a bit too wet. It does not write with it's own weight. This led me to think it had baby's bottom since the tines appeared aligned.

 

However, when I use Tomoe River paper, it writes the first time every time. It also delivers a wet line, not a faint one.

 

That's really curious... hard start problems usually present themselves the other way around!

 

I mean: cheap paper comes usually with a more open pore, while quality paper is more glossy.  Since in order to start writing, the ink needs to come from the nib's tip to the paper, the higher the porosity, the easier the ink "breaks" its surface tension and contacts the paper and, from then on, capilarity makes its trick to keep ink flowing.

 

A long winded way to say "no idea!"



#3 bobshephard

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Posted 16 August 2018 - 05:37

 

That's really curious... hard start problems usually present themselves the other way around!

 

I mean: cheap paper comes usually with a more open pore, while quality paper is more glossy.  Since in order to start writing, the ink needs to come from the nib's tip to the paper, the higher the porosity, the easier the ink "breaks" its surface tension and contacts the paper and, from then on, capilarity makes its trick to keep ink flowing.

 

A long winded way to say "no idea!"

Thanks for trying to help! It's just the Tomoe River that works well. Since then, I've tried many other papers, admittedly not of the same quality. It only works on high quality papers... Maybe the ink? I'm confused.



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Posted 16 August 2018 - 22:59

Problems with the WS 3008 seem to be related, fairly often, to the tightness of the nib on the feed. Remember, the nib is seated on the feed, same as a Lamy nib, and slips on and off. The troubles I have seen are related to how firm the seating is. So, does the nib slip on and off easily? Or is it fairly tight? Have crimped a few nibs to get them to seat properly. Maybe too loose?

 

Things I would want to try: Before doing anything else, clean the pen. Especially if the pen is new, out of the package.

1. Adjust the nib, tighten the grip, as mentioned above, if needed. Floss the nib with a thin piece of brass. Check for proper flow and writing.

2. Change out the nib with a Lamy nib. Most of the Lamy nibs do need crimping a bit to fit properly.

 

This is a different problem than is usual with Wing Sung 3008 pens. Please let us know how you are doing. Enjoy, and best of luck,


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Posted 18 August 2018 - 16:12

My Wingsung 3008 ef and f are all Very wet and present Pilot Blue saturated and dark. My Pelikans seem dry in comparison.

Wingsung 3008 writes without even barely touching the paper! Hard start is not a feature of 3008. Maybe they changed the nib?

They can take, but don't fit properly, the Lamy nibs.



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