Counterfeit Or Knock Off Lamy 2000's?

[aalmcc4]

Does anyone know of documented cases of counterfeit or close to counterfeit Lamy 2000's? (Or even close suspicious copies that are around mimicking the Safari)Any internet sellers with 2000's of questionable pedigree? I think I'm ready seek a vintage 2000. I want to be sure I'm buying the real deal.

[Uncial]

I've seen coloured ones that were from China on eBay about a year ago (red, blue and yellow). Haven't seen them, nor have I heard or read anyone mention them since. Never seen a slate grey fake. Doesn't mean it might not be out there though.

[Tadeo]

That would be something interesting to look at

 

This would speak of the level of awareness and/or prestige associated with this particular object. I, for example was aware of Mont Blanc way before i became addicted to fountain pens. The Lamy Safari on the other hand is not a luxury item but is popular and widely available, quite expensive for a regular stationery item and because of this, with a high probability of getting in the radar of counterfeiters.

 

About the Lamy 2000, I was totally unaware of it. It was only after i begin researching fountain pens that it appeared to me as a highly regarded pen by the FP loving community ( enough for me to search for one and actually buying it). My guess is that is not very likely that a Lamy 2000 knockoff would be something you regularly see (I remember only a Sbrebrown video where he shows a Mont Blanc 220 copy-ish thing of the 2k the resemblance though is only superficial. Said video can be found here:https://youtu.be/zY-wHoO4YZ4 )

Edited July 10, 2018 by Tadeo

[PAKMAN]

I've seen no 2000 knock offs myself.

[Inky.Fingers]

Most 2000 vintage that I`ve found cost as much as new. Get new..No need to worry about knock offs.

 

I have 3 Chinese knock off...not worth the dollars spent...quality issues and didn't last more than a month.

[Chrissy]

I would also buy new. You never know what kind of poor treatment previously owned ones have had during their lives.

 

At least with a brand new one, you know that no-one has tried to take the piston apart and cracked something inside.

[1nkulus]

At least with a brand new one, you know that no-one has tried to take the piston apart and cracked something inside.

 

I've seen no 2000 knock offs myself.

+1

 

IMO, a fairly safe pen from a counterfeit perspective.

[sciumbasci]

I've seen no 2000 knock offs myself.

 

Certainly, there are clones of it.

 

 

photo credit: Frank Underwater

Edited July 11, 2018 by sciumbasci

[ErrantSmudge]

It's really important to keep in mind the difference between "knock off" and "counterfeit". Knock-offs steal the design, but are still branded with the actual maker and don't try to pass themselves off as a legitimate Lamy pen. So knock-offs are pretty easy to identify and avoid if you are looking for the real thing. And to some they provide real value.

Edited July 11, 2018 by ErrantSmudge

[1nkulus]

It's really important to keep in mind the difference between "knock off" and "counterfeit". Knock-offs steal the design, but are still branded with the actual maker and don't try to pass themselves off as a legitimate Lamy pen. So knock-offs are pretty easy to identify and avoid if you are looking for the real thing. And to some they provide real value.

+1

[Uncial]

It's really important to keep in mind the difference between "knock off" and "counterfeit". Knock-offs steal the design, but are still branded with the actual maker and don't try to pass themselves off as a legitimate Lamy pen. So knock-offs are pretty easy to identify and avoid if you are looking for the real thing. And to some they provide real value.

Very true, and in my haste I think I may have told a lie. I think, although can't be sure, that I actually saw them on Tabao not eBay. Whether they were counterfeit or knock offs, I don't honestly know. I think it appeared here on FPN about a red Lamy 2000 a couple of years ago.

[dcwaites]

Please remember that any design only has 20 years protection. After that time, anybody can legally, and morally, incorporate any or all elements of that design in their own product.

What they can't copy are registered trademarks, like rounded snowflakes, or the word Lamy.

If this were not so, then the only people making fountain pens with integrated nib, feed and ink reservoir would be Waterman. Even the MB Meisterstuck would be considered a knock-off...

Edited July 13, 2018 by dcwaites

[nyc-roller-ball]

I recently received what I think is a fake or grey market 2000 model.

 

I have a few Lamy 2000, Lamy Studio, and Lamy Al-Star pens all purchased from authorized dealers. The Lamy 2000 models always come in a plastic bag within the presentation case and have a sticker with the model number on the side of the presentation box or somewhere on the outer cardboard sleeve.

 

I just received a Lamy 2000 rollerball and pencil in the correct presentation box but no inner plastic bag and no model number sticker anywhere on either the side of the presentation box (usually the standard way) or even the outer cardboard sleeve. They were purchased on eBay from a USA seller with great feedback but who is not an authorized dealer. I can post pictures later but to the untrained eye (me) they look real. The roller ball was listed at $75 and the pencil at $57.

 

At these prices they were not so cheap that anyone would think they are fakes but cheap enough that it makes me wonder. What do people think?

Edited July 17, 2018 by nyc-roller-baller

[thx1138]

Have you asked the seller?