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Completely Alcohol-Proof Red-Black Inks?

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#1 velocirants


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Posted 19 June 2018 - 03:08

Alright, I am an artist who *loves* brush pens. When I work digitally, I mostly use a red-black (actually, more of a pink-black) for lineart, but I couldn't find a brush pen that had a red-black. Until now.


However, this pen isn't refillable. Not only do I feel wasteful wasting a whole pen just because there are no inks to refill it with, but I also have significant environmental concerns. I work with Copic markers (which are alcohol-based), so I was wondering if there's some ink out there that is pink-black or red-black and is completely alcohol-proof (no smearing at all when really rubbing into it with alcohol). If not, is there any way I could make an ink like that myself?

Edited by velocirants, 19 June 2018 - 04:17.

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 13:38

Noodler's makes a line of "forgery resistant" inks which they claim are impervious to alcohols and solvents.  Noodler's Red-Black is a member of that family and might be good for you to check out.  Empire Red and Fox Red also fall into this family.


I took a course in fashion illustration about a year ago, and was using Noodler's Heart of Darkness (one of their "bulletproof" inks) for lineart with a Pilot extra-fine nib, together with water-based colored pencils and Copic markers.  I didn't have any smearing issues.

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 00:44

I want to point out that the Noodlers are everything-resistant ONLY when bonded to paper. So the aforementioned extra-fine nib would put down very little ink with a good paper contact for bonding.

But a brush pen would probably lay down too much ink. Just the layer on the paper would bond. But all the dried ink atop would just sit there, waiting to be rehydrated.

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 12:50

The only ink that holds up to alcohol *and* abrasion that I'm aware of from an art store perspective is acrylic ink.
Molotow sells a line of refillable brush nib pens (and replacement nibs, like Copic) in a couple of size options that might be an alternative option.  I think they have a 1 or 2mm brush marker you could fill with something like Golden High Flow, Liquitex Ink, etc. 


I can't think of a true red black out of the bottle but it would be relatively easy to mix one to your taste, especially since the markers have measurement marks on the ink reservoir.

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Posted 26 June 2018 - 17:58

The red in Noodlers Red-Black doesn't bond to the paper; it washes away leaving the black component.

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