Peter, Arcadian, that makes three of us. For me its usually a Very Old Barton Bottled in Bond, which is getting tough to find outside of Kentucky.
Barkingpig, I agree completely on Monteverdes new inks. Excellent quality at a reasonable price. This copper noir reminds me of KWZ monarch.
Bobje, Bruichladdich used to be my favourite Islay whisky, but I am not familiar with rare Kentucky whiskeys.
As to Copper Noir, I am able to confirm that in colour, it is indeed close to Kwz Monarch, especially where the ink is at its wettest. The difference becomes evident the more you write with them, the Monarch orange does appear slightly brighter and more orangish, the Copper noir slightly darker and more brownish, but as you see below, using untreated Kanwrite flex nibs, the difference here seems quite slight.
My writing is rather wild with a flex nib (from this point of view I prefer the directivity of a 1.1 JoWo nib), so here is the sample text so as to help in deciphering it:
Why did the Monarch butterfly flutter by & the dragonfly hover, while I drank the flagon dry
and now the written samples with flex nibs:
As can be seen above right, I put the Kwz Monarch in my new Ranga 3C ED in orange/green and blue premium ebonite, and above centre, I put the Copper noir in my heavy CC Wing Sung 2006, both have Kw flex nib.
A test with glass nib pens does however bring this colour difference out, especially in the lighter shading, but I have added Fireopal to compare with Copper Noir, where the difference is less evident.
Dip pen image:
Here the orangish quality of Monarch has come out well compared to the other two; but the difference between Fireopal, quite reddish, compared to Copper Noir brownish is not so clear.
As you say, the 90ml Copper Noir is very good value, at least it is here in France, although as I was looking for an ink close in colour to the orange streaks in my orange/green/blue Ranga 3C, I think I prefer the wetter qualities and slightly brighter colour of the more expensive Monarch.
By the way thank you for advice about the Ranga group buy.
PS I would like to thank Frank Van Krieken of Fontoplumo for replacing the Kwz Monarch ink after the postal service managed to lose the one he sent me; they apologised but so far have done nothing about it.
Edited by Dupontdelamare, 10 February 2019 - 15:24.