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#61 biancitwo

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Posted 26 December 2018 - 02:45

I recently purchased the full set of the Monteverde Noir inks and am slowly trying them out. I am happy with the colours I have tried so far, although I found Rose Noir to be drier than the others. I am surprised, but so far Copper Noir is my favourite. While I like darker orange inks such as PR Orange Crush, I tend to prefer muddy greens, blues and purples.  However, I am blown away by this ink and just had to share it.  (The paper is Rhodia Dots)
 
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You said this ink has wet flow. I filled my new Platinum 3776 B (Pendleton Brown) CI, with Monteverde Fireopal. The line was skinny and dry. I replaced that ink with Copper Noir looking for that wetter flow. It was wetter than Fireopal, but not wet. I replaced Copper Noir with Monteverde Horizon Blue. Beautiful.

I know I prefer wet inks. But, I’m amused at different wet/dry characterizations of a single ink. I also have a hose Pelikan M600 B (PB) CI, and an OMAS Paragon B (Mottishaw) CI fire hose that will do justice to Fireopal and Copper Noir.

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Posted 26 December 2018 - 09:57

You said this ink has wet flow. I filled my new Platinum 3776 B (Pendleton Brown) CI, with Monteverde Fireopal. The line was skinny and dry. I replaced that ink with Copper Noir looking for that wetter flow. It was wetter than Fireopal, but not wet. I replaced Copper Noir with Monteverde Horizon Blue. Beautiful.

I know I prefer wet inks. But, I’m amused at different wet/dry characterizations of a single ink. I also have a hose Pelikan M600 B (PB) CI, and an OMAS Paragon B (Mottishaw) CI fire hose that will do justice to Fireopal and Copper Noir.


I think Monteverde inks are mostly on the dry side. I also prefer wet inks and wet pens. I have only used Copper Noir in my Pelikan M200 Italic and it flowed beautifully - rich and wet.

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Posted 28 January 2019 - 20:23

It really sings in your Pelikan italic.

I finally picked up a bottle last week and having loaded a few different pens up, can say this ink definitely likes a wetter pen. It looks thoroughly ordinary in my Lamy Vista 1.1; lovely in a wet, Jinhao 992 F nib; but divine in my springy, vintage Blackbird.

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Must try it in a wetter stub.

Edited by ScarletWoodland, 29 January 2019 - 00:44.


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Posted 28 January 2019 - 20:26

Have to put this on my list of inks to try!


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#65 Newjelan

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 08:06

It really sings in your Pelikan italic.

I finally picked up a bottle last week and having loaded a few different pens up, can say this ink definitely likes a wetter pen. It looks thoroughly ordinary in my Lamy Vista 1.1; lovely in a wet, Jinhao 992 F nib; but divine in my springy, vintage Blackbird.

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Must try it in a wetter stub.


It does look great in your Blackbird and will be even better in a very wet stub.

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 15:15

Peter, Arcadian, that makes three of us. For me its usually a Very Old Barton Bottled in Bond, which is getting tough to find outside of Kentucky.

Barkingpig, I agree completely on Monteverdes new inks. Excellent quality at a reasonable price. This copper noir reminds me of KWZ monarch.

Bobje, Bruichladdich used to be my favourite Islay whisky, but I am not familiar with rare Kentucky whiskeys.
As to Copper Noir, I am able to confirm that in colour, it is indeed close to Kwz Monarch, especially where the ink is at its wettest. The difference becomes evident the more you write with them, the Monarch orange does appear slightly brighter and more orangish, the Copper noir slightly darker and more brownish, but as you see below, using untreated Kanwrite flex nibs, the difference here seems quite slight.
My writing is rather wild with a flex nib (from this point of view I prefer the directivity of a 1.1 JoWo nib), so here is the sample text so as to help in deciphering it:
Why did the Monarch butterfly flutter by & the dragonfly hover, while I drank the flagon dry
and now the written samples with flex nibs:
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As can be seen above right, I put the Kwz Monarch in my new Ranga 3C ED in orange/green and blue premium ebonite, and above centre, I put the Copper noir in my heavy CC Wing Sung 2006, both have Kw flex nib.

A test with glass nib pens does however bring this colour difference out, especially in the lighter shading, but I have added Fireopal to compare with Copper Noir, where the difference is less evident.
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Here the orangish quality of Monarch has come out well compared to the other two; but the difference between Fireopal, quite reddish, compared to Copper Noir brownish is not so clear.
As you say, the 90ml Copper Noir is very good value, at least it is here in France, although as I was looking for an ink close in colour to the orange streaks in my orange/green/blue Ranga 3C, I think I prefer the wetter qualities and slightly brighter colour of the more expensive Monarch.
By the way thank you for advice about the Ranga group buy.
Best regards
Dupontdelamare

PS I would like to thank Frank Van Krieken of Fontoplumo for replacing the Kwz Monarch ink after the postal service managed to lose the one he sent me; they apologised but so far have done nothing about it.

Edited by Dupontdelamare, 10 February 2019 - 15:24.


#67 A Smug Dill

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Posted 25 August 2019 - 10:54

... Diamine Ancient Copper (which gets crud that builds up on the nib) ...


I don't have Diamine Ancient Copper and so cannot help you with a side-by-side comparison even if I'd wanted to, but I can tell you that Monteverde Copper Noir can also give a pen a bad case of nib crud:

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#68 Brianm-14-FRMS

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 08:32

"I'd be interested to see this in a side-by-side with Diamine Ancient Copper (which gets crud that builds up on the nib)"
-Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth


Ruth:
I use the Diamine Ancient Copper (or in it's too short-lived, most economical cousin <wink wink, nudge nudge> the Chesterfield incarnation) in one of my Esterbrook dip pens. When filling that well, I've found the ink works best when diluted with distilled water at a rate of about ink 90% and water 10%; over time, I top off with ink or water to keep the proportions fairly constant. Now the part which bears on your comment comes in here, Ruth: in this dilution, as opposed to full strength ink, the crud on the nib never forms. Indeed, IF it does encrust the nib, I know my water proportion is a bit shy or more of 10% by volume.

This seems to work for both Chesterfield or Diamine. Some ingredient seems a very willing volunteer to precipitate; perhaps it is present at near saturation concentration at room temperature. Might investigate that one. Can't comment yet on Copper Noir (or KWZ Monarch).

Anyway, just an observation to be joined to another, perhaps, to someone's benefit.
Brian

#69 Brianm-14-FRMS

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 08:34

"I'd be interested to see this in a side-by-side with Diamine Ancient Copper (which gets crud that builds up on the nib)"
-Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth


Ruth:
I use the Diamine Ancient Copper (or in it's too short-lived, most economical cousin <wink wink, nudge nudge> the Chesterfield incarnation) in one of my Esterbrook dip pens. When filling that well, I've found the ink works best when diluted with distilled water at a rate of about ink 90% and water 10%; over time, I top off with ink or water to keep the proportions fairly constant. Now the part which bears on your comment comes in here, Ruth: in this dilution, as opposed to full strength ink, the crud on the nib never forms. Indeed, IF it does encrust the nib, I know my water proportion is a bit shy or more of 10% by volume.

This seems to work for both Chesterfield or Diamine. Some ingredient seems a very willing volunteer to precipitate; perhaps it is present at near saturation concentration at room temperature. Might investigate that one. Can't comment yet on Copper Noir (or KWZ Monarch).

Anyway, just an observation to be joined to another, perhaps, to someone's benefit.
Brian

#70 Brianm-14-FRMS

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 08:37

"I'd be interested to see this in a side-by-side with Diamine Ancient Copper (which gets crud that builds up on the nib)"
-Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth


Ruth:
I use the Diamine Ancient Copper (or in it's too short-lived, most economical cousin <wink wink, nudge nudge> the Chesterfield incarnation) in one of my Esterbrook dip pens. When filling that well, I've found the ink works best when diluted with distilled water at a rate of about ink 90% and water 10%; over time, I top off with ink or water to keep the proportions fairly constant. Now the part which bears on your comment comes in here, Ruth: in this dilution, as opposed to full strength ink, the crud on the nib never forms. Indeed, IF it does encrust the nib, I know my water proportion is a bit shy or more of 10% by volume.

This seems to work for both Chesterfield or Diamine. Some ingredient seems a very willing volunteer to precipitate; perhaps it is present at near saturation concentration at room temperature. Might investigate that one. Can't comment yet on Copper Noir (or KWZ Monarch).

Anyway, just an observation to be joined to another, perhaps, to someone's benefit.
Brian

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 13:28

Wow, indeed! What a wonderful color.







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