Water Trapped In 146?

[Erik Dalton]

Time for a chill break...everyone is just trying to be helpful....lol..

[Chrissy]

Time for a chill break...everyone is just trying to be helpful....lol..

 

Indeed they are. That's one of the great things about FPN having plenty of members who can reply with good advice, that has previously been given many times before, by many different experts, for the same problem.

[niksch]

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[niksch]

 

Indeed they are. That's one of the great things about FPN having plenty of members who can reply with good advice, that has previously been given many times before, by many different experts, for the same problem.

 

 

That's a fact. Unfortunately, it's also a fact that FPN members, in good faith, continue to give out bad advice based on things they've read, but not experienced or dealt with. Their advice comes from hours of reading, but zero/NO time of doing. And they are too stubborn to recognize that fact.

And since they've read the same complaints, over and over, even if the topic is a recognized and refuted falsehood, the fact that it's a repeated topic in this forum makes it real to someone who is only a reader (not a repair practitioner) of this forum. The continued perpetuation of urban myths, even though they have been disproved many times before, by actual no kidding experts, is disconcerting to me.

I'm not Ron Zorn, or any of your other current pen repair heroes. But I was tutored by Tom Westerich & Max Schrage, arguably two of the best and most early premier MB pen repairmen of all time, and both of whom I'm sure you've never heard of. fountainbel came onboard here much later.

[Tom Kellie]

Unfortunately, it's also a fact that FPN members, in good faith, continue to give out bad advice based on things they've read, but not experienced or dealt with. Their advice comes from hours of reading, but not hours of doing.

The continued perpetuation of urban myths, even though they have been disproved many times before, by actual no kidding experts, is disconcerting to me.

 

~ niksch:

 

What you've explained above is the reason that yours truly refrains from ever giving out advice on any topic in the Montblanc Forum, with a single exception.

Over the past few years I've had sufficient experience with the Bespoke nib ordering process that I feel moderately confident about offering low-key, open-ended thoughts about it.

All other topics I leave to you, fountainbel, Kalessin, zaddick, Chrissy, Michael R., penparadise and others who've had decades of direct experience in acquiring, repairing and maintaining Montblanc fountain pens.

In my professional life I sigh when urban myths about the life sciences are endlessly perpetuated.

I know the feeling.

Tom K.

[niksch]

 

~ niksch:

 

What you've explained above is the reason that yours truly refrains from ever giving out advice on any topic in the Montblanc Forum, with a single exception.

Over the past few years I've had sufficient experience with the Bespoke nib ordering process that I feel moderately confident about offering low-key, open-ended thoughts about it.

All other topics I leave to you, fountainbel, Kalessin, zaddick, Chrissy, Michael R., penparadise and others who've had decades of direct experience in acquiring, repairing and maintaining Montblanc fountain pens.

In my professional life I sigh when urban myths about the life sciences are endlessly perpetuated.

I know the feeling.

Tom K.

Please read my revised post.

[Chrissy]

That's a fact. Unfortunately, it's also a fact that FPN members, in good faith, continue to give out bad advice based on things they've read, but not experienced or dealt with. Their advice comes from hours of reading, but zero/NO time of doing. And they are too stubborn to recognize that fact.

And since they've read the same complaints, over and over, even if the topic is a recognized and refuted falsehood, the fact that it's a repeated topic in this forum makes it real to someone who is only a reader (not a repair practitioner) of this forum. The continued perpetuation of urban myths, even though they have been disproved many times before, by actual no kidding experts, is disconcerting to me.

I'm not Ron Zorn, or any of your other current pen repair heroes. But I was tutored by Tom Westerich & Max Schrage, arguably two of the best and most early premier MB pen repairmen of all time, and both of whom I'm sure you've never heard of. fountainbel came onboard here much later.

 

Despite all of your everyday, personal attacks on me, I'm confident in the knowledge that I'm not one of those FPN members to whom you refer, since I'm not a member who gives out bad advice based on things I've read but not experienced or dealt with.

 

And despite your wealth of knowledge you aren't aware that I've already repaired several Montblanc pistons and nibs as well as other pen brands. I just don't harp on about being a repair/practitioner all of the time.

 

People can pass on good advice based on many things, and they don't all have to be repair/practitioners.

 

I know both Tom & Max. I've had many dealings with Tom, and Max posts on FPN. I'm (currently) in Europe, why would I not know them?

 

Not that this will make any difference to you, since as far as you are concerned I'm just a nobody who knows nothing and isn't worthy of daring to post in the same threads as you do on FPN.

 

I will never reply to you again. From now on, if you break the rules, I'll just press the Report button.

[Chrissy]

 

~ niksch:

 

What you've explained above is the reason that yours truly refrains from ever giving out advice on any topic in the Montblanc Forum, with a single exception.

Over the past few years I've had sufficient experience with the Bespoke nib ordering process that I feel moderately confident about offering low-key, open-ended thoughts about it.

All other topics I leave to you, fountainbel, Kalessin, zaddick, Chrissy, Michael R., penparadise and others who've had decades of direct experience in acquiring, repairing and maintaining Montblanc fountain pens.

In my professional life I sigh when urban myths about the life sciences are endlessly perpetuated.

I know the feeling.

Tom K.

 

Tom, you are a wonderful, kind and knowledgeable person, as well as always being the voice of reason.

 

Very sadly niksch has recently begun a daily, systematic attack, on me personally, as well as on my abilities to give out advice. His critical comments only apply to me and no-one else, so everyone else is safe until he shifts focus and expends his energies elsewhere.

[Tom Kellie]

I was tutored by Tom Westerich & Max Schrage, arguably two of the best and most early premier MB pen repairmen of all time, and both of whom I'm sure you've never heard of.

 

 

~ niksch:

 

That's great to know.

Although I'm about as green as they come, I do know who both Tom Westerich and Max Schrage are.

In the wide-ranging reading here and there which gradually acquainted me with the rudiments of fountain pens, their names and reputations cropped up in several places.

To have been guided by such richly experienced repair specialists must have provided a solid understanding of the subtleties of the trade.

Thank you for explaining this.

Tom K.

[chunya]

This is getting a little confusing. I'm not the original poster, and I was trying to clarify my initial response as to why I didn't necessarily think there was a problem.

 

Having re-read all the posts all of the advice seems to be sensible irrespective of whether it suggests a problem exists or not, the only difference seems to be based upon the interpretation of the OP's wording ' Twisted to lower the piston but could not wipe it away.' Does he mean that water was still present with the piston pushed up against the feed, or after he'd drawn the piston back into the barrel? I assumed the latter (so have a few others), whereas some assume the former. This seems to be the only point of digression.

[Chrissy]

This is getting a little confusing. I'm not the original poster, and I was trying to clarify my initial response as to why I didn't necessarily think there was a problem.

 

Having re-read all the posts all of the advice seems to be sensible irrespective of whether it suggests a problem exists or not, the only difference seems to be based upon the interpretation of the OP's wording ' Twisted to lower the piston but could not wipe it away.' Does he mean that water was still present with the piston pushed up against the feed, or after he'd drawn the piston back into the barrel? I assumed the latter (so have a few others), whereas some assume the former. This seems to be the only point of digression.

OP noted water trapped in his "ink window." That suggested to me, it was the right side of the piston to be shaken out of the nib end, and is a relatively common feature. If it had been behind the piston, you wouldn't be able to easily see it in the "ink window" since the piston itself takes up much of it. Instead you might only be able to see it if you held the pen up to the light.

 

As Ron said: "We're not talking about ink getting behind the piston into the back end of the barrel, we're talking about what is left in the barrel itself after flushing. That's normal, the pen is fine."

 

You were always right. It was never necessary, in this particular case, to whip out the piston.

 

niksch never objected to anything anyone else said. Just what I said, and probably, despite me being a nobody who knows nothing, only because I was right.

[chunya]

OP noted water trapped in his "ink window." That suggested to me, it was the right side of the piston to be shaken out of the nib end, and is a relatively common feature. If it had been behind the piston, you wouldn't be able to easily see it in the "ink window"since the piston itself takes up much of it.

 

As Ron said: "We're not talking about ink getting behind the piston into the back end of the barrel, we're talking about what is left in the barrel itself after flushing. That's normal, the pen is fine."

 

Hi Chrissy,

 

I agree with you entirely, but the 'debate' seems to have snowballed because some members are interpreting (and quite understandably) the OP's description differently.

[Erik Dalton]

I’ve been away from here for over 6 months while I dealt with health issues. Missed the place.

I was so excited to be back but saddened to find you here and on other posts, sniping at each other like children in a schoolyard.

Instead of exchanging points of view, sharing experiences, you are making things personal. That’s not what this place is about. Shame on you.

 

Let me also say that quite often an OP rarely gives us a complete picture of what is happening with their pen. If they understood it all, they wouldn’t need to ask. There are bullies among us who always insist on being right, without asking probing questions. They forget that Many time we get bits an pieces that eventually present a clear picture only after offering our hypothesis, and further questioning. That’s how we learn.

It’s not personal, it’s pen mechanics.

This sort of goings on discourages newbies from asking the kind of question that we all learn from.

I pray that you all take a step back and try to be friends again.

[Freddy]

Very interestin' read.

 

Thanks.

 

Fred..

she was a long cool woman in a black dress.....Just

a 5'9" beautiful tall..just one look I was bad mess

cause that long cool woman had it all............................................................................................

................................................................

[Chrissy]

I’ve been away from here for over 6 months while I dealt with health issues. Missed the place.

I was so excited to be back but saddened to find you here and on other posts, sniping at each other like children in a schoolyard.

Instead of exchanging points of view, sharing experiences, you are making things personal. That’s not what this place is about. Shame on you.

 

Let me also say that quite often an OP rarely gives us a complete picture of what is happening with their pen. If they understood it all, they wouldn’t need to ask. There are bullies among us who always insist on being right, without asking probing questions. They forget that Many time we get bits an pieces that eventually present a clear picture only after offering our hypothesis, and further questioning. That’s how we learn.

It’s not personal, it’s pen mechanics.

This sort of goings on discourages newbies from asking the kind of question that we all learn from.

I pray that you all take a step back and try to be friends again.

 

I'm very sorry to hear you've been dealing with health issues, and I hope that you're now fully recovered.

 

You're absolutely right, and I tried my best early on in this thread. I ignored post #8 completely, then tried my best to smooth it all over when I replied to your post #21, but it didn't work at all. As you can see from post #24.

 

It's not just on this thread either. It happens every time I post in this forum. We used to have a really nice and peaceful Montblanc forum until fairly recently. Fingers crossed we'll get it back soon.

[praxim]

Thanks for the replies. I have checked later today and the water droplets still in there. Flicking the pen it still stays inside. Wondering how long does it take to dry up.

 

Hi sanfong, are you able to clarify the burning questions please?

 

Did you buy the pen new or used?

 

Are these droplets between the piston head and feed, or are they behind the piston head when it is fully down (knob withdrawn)?

 

Also, have you tried the "stand nib on dry towel or kitchen paper" method of removing excessive moisture? I do that overnight, after cleaning a pen to put away. It works well.

 

edit:unbalanced parentheses

Edited April 29, 2018 by praxim

[Erik Dalton]

Very interestin' read.

 

Thanks.

 

Fred..

she was a long cool woman in a black dress.....Just

a 5'9" beautiful tall..just one look I was bad mess

cause that long cool woman had it all............................................................................................

................................................................

Nice, real nice.

[niksch]

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[niksch]

 

Despite all of your everyday, personal attacks on me, I'm confident in the knowledge that I'm not one of those FPN members to whom you refer, since I'm not a member who gives out bad advice based on things I've read but not experienced or dealt with.

 

And despite your wealth of knowledge you aren't aware that I've already repaired several Montblanc pistons and nibs as well as other pen brands. I just don't harp on about being a repair/practitioner all of the time.

 

People can pass on good advice based on many things, and they don't all have to be repair/practitioners.

 

I know both Tom & Max. I've had many dealings with Tom, and Max posts on FPN. I'm (currently) in Europe, why would I not know them?

 

Not that this will make any difference to you, since as far as you are concerned I'm just a nobody who knows nothing and isn't worthy of daring to post in the same threads as you do on FPN.

 

I will never reply to you again. From now on, if you break the rules, I'll just press the Report button.

 

Chrissy,

 

You are absolutely in the right. I have overreacted and have overreached. I sincerely apologize and hope we can make some efforts to fix an online relationship that I damaged before it could really be fully established.

 

And, If I break the rules, please DO hit the report button. Many members here on FPN actually send me PMs to clarify conflicts in posts and opinions. You've never contacted me in this manner, notr have I contacted you.

 

However, before you slop all the (bleep) on me, I'd ask that you review your responses and the innuendo in other responses to my posts. II admit that I have some amount of blame in our feud, but I'm not the only one to blame.

 

Perhaps we can establish a truce and continue forward?

[jar]

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