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How Is The Nib On The Exception Night & Day?


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The Exception Night & Day is a pen I love the look of, and with it being discontinued I have to make a move. However, my experience with Waterman's (old Expert, current Expert, Carene, Perspective) has been that they all have basically the same nib (gold or steel, they write basically the same way) and that it is always a very uninteresting nib to write with, basically as hard as can be, smooth without being perfectly smooth, and just normal in every way. I will say to their credit they always work. With the Carene, I was willing to drop the money for the beauty knowing the nib would not excite me, but the Night & Day is a whole different price range. Is it more of the same with the Night & Day?

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When Waterman pen nibs, along with other manufacturers, became known as EF, F, M, L, ST, OBF, OBB etc and they lost their anti crack device (round, heart, fancy shaped nib holes) they lost their flexibility.

 

The Exception, be it the standard thin or large fat, fits all these factors so they come under the 'no flex' rule.

 

I recall someone here on FPN reporting their Carene had some flex. Well I have reshaped many Carene nibs and all I can say is...they don't flex. They are not designed to flex.

 

All modern nibs, which fit the above criteria, must be tested by yourself to determine which one suits you. One medium (or other size) may be vastly different from another of the same. Their tips are not formed in a custom workshop, to precise widths, but on production lines with many workers doing their own thing. This is why nibs are no longer directly stamped with their size. They are produced and then selected for their size. This is a proven fact by virtue their holder (grip) or feed has the size stamp on it...if you are lucky.

 

There is one certain fact about the Exception which is it will definitely NOT roll off your desk.

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It's really a shame, because they have such beautiful pens. It doesn't have to be a flex, I know that is hopeless, but just some character would go a long way.

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The pen has character. It is not found in the nib, which is [modern] classical smooth Waterman. I like the style of mine more than I do the Edson, but that is probably just a thing I have about the Edson.

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When Waterman pen nibs, along with other manufacturers, became known as EF, F, M, L, ST, OBF, OBB etc and they lost their anti crack device (round, heart, fancy shaped nib holes) they lost their flexibility.

 

The Exception, be it the standard thin or large fat, fits all these factors so they come under the 'no flex' rule.

 

I recall someone here on FPN reporting their Carene had some flex. Well I have reshaped many Carene nibs and all I can say is...they don't flex. They are not designed to flex.

 

All modern nibs, which fit the above criteria, must be tested by yourself to determine which one suits you. One medium (or other size) may be vastly different from another of the same. Their tips are not formed in a custom workshop, to precise widths, but on production lines with many workers doing their own thing. This is why nibs are no longer directly stamped with their size. They are produced and then selected for their size. This is a proven fact by virtue their holder (grip) or feed has the size stamp on it...if you are lucky.

 

There is one certain fact about the Exception which is it will definitely NOT roll off your desk.

 

I agree with you 100% that Carene nibs don't have flex. You only have to look at them - they only extend off of the feed by a small fraction. If some is getting flex from a Carene, then they are surely pressing too hard and forcing the nib away from the feed. -_-

 

I think the Exception nibs look like the Man 100 and 200 nibs - lovely, smooth writers. :wub:

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the Exception Night & Day nib is smooth but quite stiff, and has little or no character. Although the pen is beautiful, its quite heavy and is not well-balanced. IMHO I prefer the nib of the slim Exception to the full-size one.

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I did not address the 'discontinued' comment.

 

Waterman informed me that it would be discontinued but not when. They are sometimes very short on information.

 

Now had I asked the same question about the Carene or Hemisphere they no doubt would have provided the same answer.

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I did not address the 'discontinued' comment.

 

Waterman informed me that it would be discontinued but not when. They are sometimes very short on information.

 

Now had I asked the same question about the Carene or Hemisphere they no doubt would have provided the same answer.

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Nibs.com already notes that it is discontinued and that they can get no more. Also, it is no longer on the Waterman website.

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Ahhh the end did come then but they will though always be available on the great auction site and they are still available with a few online retailers. I have never seen an Exception in a high street shop.

 

I have just this week sold mine for 1/2 the new price and it was in superb condition. But still the funds have allowed the purchase of 3 new Carenes.

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Ahhh the end did come then but they will though always be available on the great auction site and they are still available with a few online retailers. I have never seen an Exception in a high street shop.

 

I have just this week sold mine for 1/2 the new price and it was in superb condition. But still the funds have allowed the purchase of 3 new Carenes.

Either the exception's new price was higher than I realize or you have a source for very very cheap Carenes...or by new Carenes you mean new to you.

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Either the exception's new price was higher than I realize or you have a source for very very cheap Carenes...or by new Carenes you mean new to you.

The Exception N&D was (is) priced anywhere between £350 and £450 so I sold mine for £230. Even at that price it took a month. Buying astutely I have acquired 3 new Carenes (Sea Garden, Marine Amber and a Black Sea Deluxe) for a total of £240. All boxed as you buy from a shop or online retailer.

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I sold mine, as I found it to very heavy but it did have a really smooth nib. I do prefer the Edson to the Exception.

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