Wing Sung 601. A Real Vacumatic, Modern Parker 51?

[truthpil]

I really don't think that a pen like this ought to be only available with one nib.

Why not something broader for export?

Whilst I like a fine line you pay for it by scratchiness. In the lower end of the market you certainly do: Hero 616 clone. [eek] Those damn things put me right off this type of pen.

Experience with a genuine Parker is needed to gauge whether the copies are getting any good.

As with most Chinese pen brands, these pens were probably made primarily for writing Chinese characters. These were made for the Chinese market where there isn't much demand for nibs broader than 0.5mm.

[RoyalBlueNotebooks]

there isn't much demand for nibs broader than 0.5mm.

Fun fact: I wrote in reverse writing most of the time for my Japanese courses since Western fine nibs were too broad and my Kanjis were so messy my Professor couldn't read them clearly.

[Mech-for-i]

I really don't think that a pen like this ought to be only available with one nib.

Why not something broader for export?

Whilst I like a fine line you pay for it by scratchiness. In the lower end of the market you certainly do: Hero 616 clone. [eek] Those damn things put me right off this type of pen.

Experience with a genuine Parker is needed to gauge whether the copies are getting any good.

 

First and foremost the Mfr was not out to made a pen for export , they had enough volume of business just serving the home market; and then, well, take a look at all the various calligraphy nib one can source for this pen from the very casual user friendly N1 type with only a slight upturn of the tipping ( write pretty much like a wet M ) to the extreme like the S3 type ( a hugh curved fude with the tip pointing skyward at almost 90 degree ) you would understand why M and B are not needed there. if the user want expressive writing , he can go buy his own choice of these calligraphy nibs ( and there are at least no less than 10 varieties ) and simply swap in himself/herself. And then there's the language itself, just try writing a Chinese character on an average ruled notebook and you will see why M and B and alike are not only not needed, in fact in most cases they would be avoided.

[Mech-for-i]

Fun fact: I wrote in reverse writing most of the time for my Japanese courses since Western fine nibs were too broad and my Kanjis were so messy my Professor couldn't read them clearly.

 

know what ... every time I heard someone with similar remark, I had to chuckle, Ok ... sorry ... but just can't help it .... from one who write native with the language, but hey no disparage ; I had Japanese friend who are just as bad writing Kenjis too ( though he's trying hard to improve on that now that his daughter entering school )

Edited April 25, 2018 by Mech-for-i

[RoyalBlueNotebooks]

 

know what ... every time I heard someone with similar remark, I had to chuckle, Ok ... sorry ... but just can't help it .... from one who write native with the language, but hey no disparage ; I had Japanese friend who are just as bad writing Kenjis too ( though he's trying hard to improve on that now that his daughter entering school )

No it's absolutely fine, I have a laugh every time I think about those times too. I mean, I wrote in reverse writing for so long I think I eroded the tip of a pen until it became as wide as the normal side

Then I bought a Rotring Isograph, 0,4mm and it was fine.

[Mech-for-i]

No it's absolutely fine, I have a laugh every time I think about those times too. I mean, I wrote in reverse writing for so long I think I eroded the tip of a pen until it became as wide as the normal side

Then I bought a Rotring Isograph, 0,4mm and it was fine.

 

Practice with a pencil is a good idea , Chinese calligraphers do that often

[truthpil]

 

Practice with a pencil is a good idea , Chinese calligraphers do that often

 

Yep, that's what my Chinese teachers make me do. Pencil first until strokes are decent. However, I cannot stop myself from using my Platinum 3776 Soft Fine for writing out characters over and over when learning new vocabulary. When I have a notebook with huge square rules (I think those are for primary school kids), I go for a Western EF and it works ok. The teacher never sees that writing anyway haha.

[mitto]

Interesting. It is as if Chinese are calling out : hey, it is now time for us to reissue all the pens that you made in the yester years.

 

Anyhow, I would still stick to the real deals.

[Scribe_Not]

It sounds like this pen is designed for the old school way of just keeping the same ink in a pen forever and refilling it without flushing haha.

I guess if the ink isn't clog prone then it'd work.

[Scribe_Not]

It sounds like this pen is designed for the old school way of just keeping the same ink in a pen forever and refilling it without flushing haha.

I guess if the ink isn't clog prone then it'd work.

[Scribe_Not]

I think you nailed it with that one. I bought seven colors and that should just about cover the color spectrum of my daily drivers. My father only ever wrote using the same Blue-Black ink for 70+ years. (But he only had one 51)

Score 1 for the upstart Kid Pops. BOOM!

[thewolfgang]

Just received two of the new white cap 601s with what I thought was the same wonderful fine point as the 601s with the silver cap - but it's an extra fine that doesn't work for me

 

Are the silver caps with the fine nibs available anywhere anymore?

 

Thanks

[RoyalBlueNotebooks]

Just received two of the new white cap 601s with what I thought was the same wonderful fine point as the 601s with the silver cap - but it's an extra fine that doesn't work for me

Are the silver caps with the fine nibs available anywhere anymore?

Thanks

I think you received a rare very wet nib in your 601, because mine is the old vacumatic version from the February batch and it's a scratchy very EF pen.

[truthpil]

Just received two of the new white cap 601s with what I thought was the same wonderful fine point as the 601s with the silver cap - but it's an extra fine that doesn't work for me

 

Are the silver caps with the fine nibs available anywhere anymore?

 

Thanks

 

 

I think you received a rare very wet nib in your 601, because mine is the old vacumatic version from the February batch and it's a scratchy very EF pen.

 

It's odd....on Taobao only a fine nib is available for the 601. However, the nib that came with mine would most definitely be considered an extra fine, yet there are no markings on the nib to be certain. Mine was also so horridly scratchy that I removed it before even filling the pen for the first time.

 

You know, someone could probably make some money by buying a ton of the dirt-cheap spare nibs that fit these pens (that can be bought by the bag-load) and grinding them to broader nib sizes.

 

If you can get your hands on one of the more conservative fude nibs for this pen, you'll be in for a treat. Mine writes somewhere between a western medium and broad with nice flow and smoothness.

[thewolfgang]

thanks for the reassurances - I tried the other new 601 I received a beautiful teal-ish with Jentile BBK (I had put Waterman Audacious Red into the scratchy burgundy) and it seemed/seems better. Not really sure. And the new caps aren't 51-ish the way my silver cap black 601 is.

[RoyalBlueNotebooks]

It's odd....on Taobao only a fine nib is available for the 601. However, the nib that came with mine would most definitely be considered an extra fine, yet there are no markings on the nib to be certain. Mine was also so horridly scratchy that I removed it before even filling the pen for the first time.

The nib on mine actually has no indication of being F or EF, but I've already seen auctions selling F and receiving EF and viceversa, so I trust the line that I write with the pen. And it's Extra-Fine, for sure. As EF as Pilot Kakuno EF.

Edited May 15, 2018 by RoyalBlueNotebooks

[PrestoTenebroso]

Just got mine last week. It is devastating how good it is and all went together. When I see it, it looks like someone basically said "Hey, Parker basically created the perfect pen and solved all the engineering problems, all we have to do is reproduce the parts! Money, money, money!!!"

 

You can't fault the pen or the manufacturer, but it does hurt a little that we could be making these here, but aren't.

[Tasmith]

 

 

If you say GULLIBLE real slowly,

it sounds like ORANGES.

Edited May 16, 2018 by Tasmith

[truthpil]

I just flushed mine out for the first time and it was actually way faster and easier than I had expected. If you know how to work it right, the spring piston mechanism can function like a mini bulb syringe to push the water or ink out. Using fast pumps to suck up water and slow pumps to expel it, I was able to completely flush all the ink out and almost all the water faster than it takes me with my Pelikan M215. There were just a few tiny water droplets left in the barrel which is the same as with any pen that you can't swab out. I'm thoroughly impressed. I just wish there were more nib options.

 

Edited May 16, 2018 by TruthPil

[Tasmith]

Truth Pil, My apologies, didn't mean in include your reply when commenting on Scribe_Not's signature line "Gullible" message. I fell for it and it made me laugh.

Edited May 16, 2018 by Tasmith