Are These Both Parker 45's, And Whats Up With The Nib?

[pitonyak]

I have these two Parker pens and they look the same, well, almost. Here is the first one, which I am calling the Fine nib 45.

 

 

I say that this has a Fine nib because if I look at the back of the feed, there is an F, even though you probably cannot see it.

 

Look at the cap, I think that it is missing something on the top, or, is that normal?

 

 

https://photos.smugmug.com/Pens/i-kx7sJ6j/0/e68caa4d/L/x4_Parker_45_F_nib-L.jpg

 

Here is the other pen, it looks the same, but, it has more on the cap

 

 

 

 

So, are these both Parker 45 pens? Is the first pen simply missing something from the top of the pen?

 

And now for the final question. The first pen has an F on the back of the feed. The second pen has a 7 on the back of the feed. My guess was that the F meant Fine, but, I expect the nib to be labeled as fine, not the feed. What does the 7 mean? Is it a manufacture year identifier?

 

I am a bit confused.

Edited March 20, 2018 by pitonyak

[pitonyak]

AS a side note, the first pen it says PARKER on the nib and the second has some kind of emblem or something.

[Mr.Rene]

The first one is a Parker Jotter..some were made in UK, France and USA.(Plastic Barrel, Steel Barrel, Gold Clip,etc) The cap for your second pen looks like a Parker 45 model. Usually the Cap has 45 number written on...

Regards

PD: Parker 45 collar nib has the size nib marks.. F= Fine XF=Extra Fine M=Medium B= Broad etc...

Edited March 20, 2018 by Mr.Rene

[Chrissy]

Pics of the full pens are too long for me to see them. They disappear off of the edge of my screen. However, I can't see any Parker 45 nibs.

[pitonyak]

So is this pen also a Jotter? The top is the same...

This looks very similar to the first pen. It has the Hewlett Packard name on the pen and it has gold trim (as you can see). This pen has a B on the feed on the back. Still unsure if this means a broad nib.

[pitonyak]

Do these smaller images stay on the screen? I thought that you could scroll the display window, oops, sorry.

Pen 1, which says Parker on the nib (Jotter??)

Pen 2, Parker 45??

Pen 3, unknown

Edited March 20, 2018 by pitonyak

[Chrissy]

Oh yes I can see them now. None look like Parker 45 pens to me. All Jotters I think.

 

(I could scroll but never reached the end of the pen)

 

These aren't good pictures but Parker 45 nibs always look like this

 

If you search for Parker 45 on ebay hundreds will come up

[pitonyak]

I am working hard to learn and I spent a lot of time staring at pictures of pens and I thought that they looked closest here:

 

https://parkerpens.net/parker45.html

 

But I have very little experience.

[Chrissy]

I am working hard to learn and I spent a lot of time staring at pictures of pens and I thought that they looked closest here:

 

https://parkerpens.net/parker45.html

 

But I have very little experience.

 

Yes, you can see that they all have small hooded nibs.

[shamwari]

They all look like Jotters or 15s to me. I'm not sure if there is any difference between the Parker 15 and the Jotter or whether it was just a name change? I agree with Chrissy, the don't look like 45s which have a semi-hooded small nib which can be easily unscrewed to change it. The Pen Collect site gives the Parker 15 as being only 120mm long capped compared to 135mm for the 45.

 

The images are still disappearing off the edge of my screen by the way.

[Chrissy]

OP can you go back and edit your first two posts to get smaller length images on there while you still have time?

[shamwari]

But I also agree with Mr.Rene that the second cap you posted looks like a 45 cap as it has the 45 style tassie on the end whereas the 15/Jotter cap has a very blunt end level with the clip top. I don't know if the 15 and 45 caps are interchangeable though?

[Chrissy]

But I also agree with Mr.Rene that the second cap you posted looks like a 45 cap as it has the 45 style tassie on the end whereas the 15/Jotter cap has a very blunt end level with the clip top. I don't know if the 15 and 45 caps are interchangeable though?

 

The bottom picture in first post is a Parker 45 cap. I didn't know they were interchangeable either.

[pitonyak]

If the 45 has a hooded nib, then these are NOT 45's. The caps are all interchangeable, I just checked. The HP labeled pen is 120mm long. The other two pens are closer to 125mm long. The body on the HP pen is 5mm shorter.

[pitonyak]

OP can you go back and edit your first two posts to get smaller length images on there while you still have time?

 

Done, I set them all to be about 800 pixels wide

[pitonyak]

So the first pen is probably a Parker 15 / Jotter. The second pen may be a with a 45 cap (it has the 7 stripes and the other two have 8).

 

My head hurts

[PAKMAN]

Agree with the general assessment. One cap may be from a Parker 45 but none of the pens shown are Parker 45's.

[Runnin_Ute]

Others beat me to it, but none are 45's. Although the one cap does look like it came from a 45. These look fatter than a 45 as well.

[parkergeo]

Based on the proportions in the photo, it is NOT a 45 cap.

 

There is a version of the Parker 15/Jotter cap that has the clip and tassie/screw of a 45 at the top, but rather than tapering out to the 12mm diameter at the open end found on a 45 cap, it is slimmer at 10mm. It is also shorter than the 45, only about 5.7 cm.

 

A P45 cap will slide well past the barrel ring of a P15 before it stops, but a 15 cap will match the barrel diameter and fit in at the ring as it should.

[Chrissy]

I stand corrected. The second chrome cap in the first post looked like a Parker 45 cap. The pictures in post #5 (still stretched off the edge of the screen) don't show any Parker 45 parts from what I can see.