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Hello!

 

I've been looking to vary my marking colors a bit. A while back I got into oranges and came up with some good options, but most of my inked pens have some version of blue or blurple ink in them. For a variety of reasons, it's good to be able to alternate colors (e.g., marking the same paper twice). It's obviously very important to inks used for editing/grading to stand out off the page (can't hide), dry quickly, and behave well on cheap paper. So I've decided to look more closely at greens. Unfortunately, my particular taste in greens runs toward brown, and my undergrads (alas!) don't have quite the appreciation for Rikyu Cha that I do. I do like some greener greens, but then tend toward the dark side. I have bottles of Sailor Jentle Epinard and PR Avocado, but Epinard is really just too dark and Avocado is not well behaved for me as a lefty (dries slowly, smears quickly).

 

Any suggestions for an ink that behaves well on crappy paper and stands out, but not to the extent that it hurts my eyes to look at it? To give you a hint of how hard it is for me to go this route, when I started looking, I began with Diamine Sherwood Green and Evergreen (which are still in the realm of possibility for me), but soon drifted toward DA Jane Austen, then eventually various olives and ended up at Burma Road Brown. Green inks I own bottles of are PR Avocado, Sailor Jentle Epinard, R&K Alt Goldgrun, Diamine Safari, Stipula Musk Green, and Sailor Rikyu Cha. Gives a sense of where my tastes fall, but I'm willing to branch out a bit. I just don't want anything searing my retinas. Well behaved and clearly distinct from typed text is good enough. Avocado would be good enough if I could get it to play nice.

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I don't know about behavior on bad paper (sorry, I never use bad paper - though I could do a dip test with a Jinhao #6 medium nib for most of the below on 20lb copy paper, if you want). But for what it's worth:

 

I like Caran d'Ache Delicate Green and its cheaper alter ego Robert Oster Green Lime. These would definitely stand out, but you might find them a bit too bright.

 

Diamine Classic Green is more to the murky side, but not so far that it's hard to separate from other stuff on the page. (Similar colors: Kobe #15 Maiko Green, Sailor Tokiwa Matsu, Kobe #28 Lilly of the Valley Green.)

 

Waterman Harmonious Green would stand out - it's between the two extremes above, but it's kinda yawnville. :)

 

Other than Pilot Varsity green and Thornton disposable greens, that's the extent of my green knowledge.

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I graded first drafts of assignments with green. J. Herbin LIerre Sauvage works well and is OK on cheap papers. Iroshizuku Shin-ryoku also worked well but it is pricey (I stocked up at a steep discount sale at Staples).

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Diamine Apple Glory, maybe?

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Iroshizuku Chiku-Rin might be too light/bright for you.

Private Reserve Ebony Green is nearly black, making it a great business color; however, it might be too close to your other go-to inks.

Visconti Green is a good, solid, not too light or dark green.

Monteverde's Hope Green (from their Emotions series) is a good "spring-like" green. Again, it might be little bright for you, but i think it will be perfect for grading (its name notwithstanding).

 

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​You might take a look at vis' reviews for KWZ Green #3 and #5. #5 is brighter (but not eye-searing), sort of a medium grass/lime color. #3 is somewhat darker but shades even darker, so the impression is a darker color overall. I just ordered samples of both. KWZ inks generally perform well on cheaper paper.

 

I, too, love the dark greens - Miruai and Dark Forest are current favorites - but have been wanting a lighter green (that wasn't Vert Pre or Apple Glory bright) and was thrilled to stumble onto the #5. Or course, then I saw #3 and had to have it, too.

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Hmmm, these KWZ inks do look quite nice (for someone who's just waiting to pounce on a bottle of Tokiwa Matsu). Baby steps maybe, but I do like the looks of both 3 and 5.

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Rohrer & Klingner Verdura is a good medium-green that stands out but is still readable, and is well-behaved.

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+1 for J. Herbin Lierre Sauvage. My taste in greens fall with yours, but when I need a greener green this one works. It's well behaved and stands out without being too bright.

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My favourite green is Schneider green. In Europe, it costs nothing. Elsewhere, its price may vary. This ink was a lucky discovery. It's a wet ink that shades wonderfully and if you use it with a somewhat dry pen, you can get wonderful results on various kinds of paper. Many on FPN frown on Schneider ink. Their blue and red are not special. It's a generic brand aimed at school and office use. But their green... wow!

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I like greens and have sampled many. I grade many student essays. I have settled on PR Spearmint Green: bright enough, saturated enough, reliable, good on cheap paper.

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Ok, so having looked up ALL of the inks that have been referenced so far, my conservative inclinations are pulling me toward a few finalists (for samples anyway)--the two KWZ inks, Lierre Sauvage (probably the front-runner given all the confidence it inspires), Verdura, and maybe some of those Schneider cartridges if I can find them. I'm inclined to rule out Private Reserve inks. As much as I really like their deeply saturated colors, even the Sherwood Green Fast-Dry that I have doesn't dry fast enough. I've seldom met one of their inks that I don't have to write around while it dries.

 

I guess my follow-up would be to come back to Diamine Sherwood and Evergreen and ask how the inks listed above compare to those. For instance, is Lierre Sauvage significantly lighter than Diamine Sherwood? How do they compare to those KWZ inks? I ask because those two Diamine inks seem to have a lot of supporters out there, and at this point I'm reliant on testimonials and screen images.

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I would probably use something like Iroshizuku Chiku Rin, but it's so cheerful you might get thanks for Cs.

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Hi Elippman,

 

Lierre Sauvage is a really nice, bright green ink...

 

...but you might also want to consider Pelikan Dk. Green. This ink has good flow, (doesn't seem as dry as most other Pelikan inks) and behaves well.

 

It is also very similar to Mont Blanc's White Forest, (according to the scans and reviews I've read - I have no first-hand experience).

 

It's also more affordable than Herbin inks... I know that's a concern for a lot of teachers.

 

Well, there's my two cents... take it or leave it. Be well. :)

 

 

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Here are a few that haven't been suggested:

 

Callifolio Olivastre

Monteverde Olivine

Pelikan Edelstein Olivine Ink of the Year (when it comes out)

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Fyi: no dry time issues with Spearmint, especially on standard student papers or bluebooks! But there are many options.

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Mont Blanc Irish Green is very well behaved, even on cheap paper.

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