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Difference Between 146 And 164 Ballpoint?


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#1 BillNick

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 08:19

These two pens appear to be identical to me, can anyone tell me the difference between the two models?  Are they both designated Meisterstücks?

 

I have read in some places that the 164s only have 2 cap rings, yet the ones that I've seen for sale are pictured with three rings - once again, I'm confused!

 

All help appreciated!


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 08:45

Yes they are both Meisterstücks, so no specific differences between them other than the actual model numbers that show whether they are FP, BP or RB.

 

Montblanc Meisterstück 164 is a twist action BP with 3 cap bands as standard.

Montblanc Meisterstück 146 is a piston filling FP with 3 cap bands as standard.



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Posted 14 March 2018 - 10:59

Maybe I misunderstand what you are asking but there is no such thing as a 146 ballpoint.  All 146s are fountain pens.  Many people misidentify their pen and call them a 146 ballpoint.


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:16

I wasn't quite sure whether OP thought both were ballpoints or both were Meisterstücks.



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Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:40

Yes they are both Meisterstücks, so no specific differences between them other than the actual model numbers that show whether they are FP, BP or RB.

 

Montblanc Meisterstück 164 is a twist action BP with 3 cap bands as standard.

Montblanc Meisterstück 146 is a piston filling FP with 3 cap bands as standard.

 

 

Maybe I misunderstand what you are asking but there is no such thing as a 146 ballpoint.  All 146s are fountain pens.  Many people misidentify their pen and call them a 146 ballpoint.

 

You're right, I'm confused, and ignorant about MBs...but it's getting clearer now.   As I now understand it, then a 164 BP will match my 146 FP in terms of size and styling, is that correct?

 

Is the 164 sometimes referred to as the Classique or is that a different model?

 

I appreciate the education, thanks! 


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 14:09

Just noticed that the cap ring design is different between my FP and the 164 BP.  The lower ring on the BP covers the end of the part that corresponds to the FP cap, the cap rings of the FP are set higher up exposing the lower part of the cap's plastic so presumably they cannot be considered to be FP and BP of the same model?  

 

Oh bugger, this is getting so confusing again.  I'm now looking at one described as a Le Grand 161 which has the matching cap ring design to the 146 FP.


Edited by BillNick, 14 March 2018 - 14:17.


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 14:38

Hi,

The rings don't have to cover the cap end on a 146 as the cap is a screw-on. Having the rings covering the cap end protects against cracks with push-on caps, this will apply to fountain pens or Rollerballs (apologies, originally wrote ballpoints) 


Edited by chunya, 14 March 2018 - 15:00.


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 15:53

The 164 ballpoint is a classique, (which matches a 144/145 fountain pen). If you want a match for a 146 Legrand fountain pen then you need a 161 ballpoint.


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 16:04

Just asking but what ballpoint pens does MB release in a LE set with a FP that is a 146?

 

I have never handled such a ballpoint pen....



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Posted 18 March 2018 - 00:32

The 164 ballpoint is a classique, (which matches a 144/145 fountain pen). If you want a match for a 146 Legrand fountain pen then you need a 161 ballpoint.

 

 

It's worth noting that for a long time the 164 (along with the 165 Pencil) was the only size ballpoint to match all Meisterstück FPs. The 161 is a more recent addition to the range (late 1990s at a guess?).


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 07:41

 

 

It's worth noting that for a long time the 164 (along with the 165 Pencil) was the only size ballpoint to match all Meisterstück FPs. The 161 is a more recent addition to the range (late 1990s at a guess?).

 

Quite correct, and the 164 will match the 146 but not the size. It rather depends if that is important to you.


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 07:50

You're right, I'm confused, and ignorant about MBs...but it's getting clearer now.   As I now understand it, then a 164 BP will match my 146 FP in terms of size and styling, is that correct?

 

Is the 164 sometimes referred to as the Classique or is that a different model?

 

The 164 BP might sometimes be referred to as a Classique. I think it's a better size to go with a 146 FP than the 161 or Le Grand size BP. The 161 BP is bigger than it looks in pictures. 



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Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:11

The 164 ballpoint is a classique, (which matches a 144/145 fountain pen). If you want a match for a 146 Legrand fountain pen then you need a 161 ballpoint.

 

Thank you, that's what I needed to know.  Got a 161 on it's way.



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Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:15

 

 

It's worth noting that for a long time the 164 (along with the 165 Pencil) was the only size ballpoint to match all Meisterstück FPs. The 161 is a more recent addition to the range (late 1990s at a guess?).

 

I don't understand that...how can the 164 ballpoint pen match two different FPs for size, eg 149 and 146, when the FPs are completely different sizes?  Confused again!



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Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:17

 

The 164 BP might sometimes be referred to as a Classique. I think it's a better size to go with a 146 FP than the 161 or Le Grand size BP. The 161 BP is bigger than it looks in pictures. 

 

Thanks, I'll just have to put up with the 161 that I ordered!   



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Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:18

Thanks for everyone's input on this.



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Posted 18 March 2018 - 15:04

 

I don't understand that...how can the 164 ballpoint pen match two different FPs for size, eg 149 and 146, when the FPs are completely different sizes?  Confused again!

 

 

I know - madness! There was a time in prehistory when MB didn't even make a matching rollerball!!

 

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 19:19

 

I don't understand that...how can the 164 ballpoint pen match two different FPs for size, eg 149 and 146, when the FPs are completely different sizes?  Confused again!

 

There is no ballpoint pen to match the 149. The 161 is the same girth as the 146 and the cap is exactly the same size however the 161 is about 8mm longer than the 146. In the same way the 145 and 164 are the same size except  that the 164 is about 5mm longer. 


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