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Permanent Ink That Doesn't Clog Or Dry In The Pen?

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#21 Zaphodbebullbrox

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 17:38

I have never had any drying or clogging problems with Montblanc Permanent Blue.



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:00

I have used Montblanc Permanent Blue since January '16 and with about 5% MB Perm Black added since April '16. Initially in an M600, then M200, but since August '16 in a Lamy Studio. That pen is always inked, but only filled every two to four weeks. I flush it every few months, but it never seems any different - just works, first time, every time. Also, the ink is the most waterproof I have found - spill water on a page, leave it to dry and you cannot see the difference.

 

Only complaints are that the converter is slightly stained and there is some nib-creep.



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:13

I have used Montblanc Permanent Blue since January '16 and with about 5% MB Perm Black added since April '16. Initially in an M600, then M200, but since August '16 in a Lamy Studio. That pen is always inked, but only filled every two to four weeks. I flush it every few months, but it never seems any different - just works, first time, every time. Also, the ink is the most waterproof I have found - spill water on a page, leave it to dry and you cannot see the difference.
 
Only complaints are that the converter is slightly stained and there is some nib-creep.


Ooh I've always wanted a 100% waterproof blue-black. Any chance you could post a pic of your 95:5 MB blue-black mix?

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 18:07

Ooh I've always wanted a 100% waterproof blue-black. Any chance you could post a pic of your 95:5 MB blue-black mix?

 

 

just done a sample page which I will scan once the ink and then water have dried so you can see how waterproof it is.



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 19:38

I am very excited to see that! I have had some pens work very well with MB Perm Blue, and others not well at all, despite great cleaning efforts. I gave up on it, but am going to give it a try once again. Do you dilute it with any water at all?



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 21:24

If you had a pen with bad seals, changing your ink will not help. 

Here's a website to tell you: http://www.chem4kids...atter_evap.html



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 23:17

I don't know much about permanent ink, I have some inks which are prone to clogging though, and my Pelikan M200s are good sealers. They often write right off after several months capped. I had to forget one inked for at least 6 months or probably more (and over the summer...) to find ink had dried out.



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Posted 16 March 2018 - 16:49

In this regard -  I have a Pilot 743 in fine nib. Would you recommend using Noodler's Black ink in it? Thanks in advance.



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Posted 16 March 2018 - 22:15

I am very excited to see that! I have had some pens work very well with MB Perm Blue, and others not well at all, despite great cleaning efforts. I gave up on it, but am going to give it a try once again. Do you dilute it with any water at all?

 

Took me a while to clean out the dried up MB Perm Blue out of the nib and feed of my MB 146.  JB's Flush did almost nothing to clean it out, but soaking in Koh-I-Noor Rapido-Eze finally did the trick.  Filled my MB 146 with MB Perm Blue with 5% MB Perm Black and the now it writes great!

 

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Posted 17 March 2018 - 01:41

I have a number of Pelikan M400's, a Sailor 1911 standard and a couple of 3776's and have Noodler's partially waterproof and waterproof in all of them without problem (no hard starts, crud or skipping.) I do clean them and re-fill bi-weekly, just as precaution & good pen hygiene. I don't think I'd leave Kung the Cheng, the bay states or iron galls untended for unlimited time. Another pen user suggested a slight dilution with water would further help inks known to clog or dry out.

Thanks everyone for your kind help.
 
I have several Pelicans, a Sailor 1911, and a couple cheapies.
 
I wonder if pen's don't dry out if kept in a ziplock bag.
Is that a good idea. . then there's no difference in cap sealing. . ?
 
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Posted 17 March 2018 - 05:20

 

Took me a while to clean out the dried up MB Perm Blue out of the nib and feed of my MB 146.  JB's Flush did almost nothing to clean it out, but soaking in Koh-I-Noor Rapido-Eze finally did the trick.  Filled my MB 146 with MB Perm Blue with 5% MB Perm Black and the now it writes great!

 

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Beautiful! Thanks for sharing that. That combination has some decent shading and I could see why you probably wouldn't want to put more black in the mix.

What nib do you have on your MB 146? That looks way more interesting that any factory nib MB makes today!


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#32 Tasmith

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Posted 17 March 2018 - 15:03

Thank you TruthPil!

 

The nib started out as a medium.  Wrote almost like a broad which I don't like so I had Linda Kennedy of Indy-Pen-Dance http://www.indy-pen-dance.com/  grind it into a cursive italic, on the crisp side, at the Baltimore Pen Show a few years ago.  Having a Nibmeister work on my pen in person was great as I was able to test the pen and ask for changes to suit my preferences on the spot.

 

Agree on not adding any more black.  This ink combination is very well behaved and writes wonderfully.  The R&K Dokumentus was too much on the wet side for me.

 

I've had the 146 inked for 24 hours now.  Wrote perfectly first thing this morning.  It's great having my 146 back with an ink I am really liking.

 

Thank you again Martinbir!


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Posted 17 March 2018 - 15:05

Thank you TruthPil!

 

The nib started out as a medium.  Wrote almost like a broad which I don't like so I had Linda Kennedy of Indy-Pen-Dance http://www.indy-pen-dance.com/  grind it into a cursive italic, on the crisp side, at the Baltimore Pen Show a few years ago.  Having the Nibmeister work on your pen in person is great as I was able to test the pen and ask for changes to  suit my preferences on the spot.

 

Agree on not adding any more black.

 

That is so cool! My MB 145 never leaves the case because the fine nib is too toothy and boring, so maybe a regrind is the way to go.


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 06:02

In this regard -  I have a Pilot 743 in fine nib. Would you recommend using Noodler's Black ink in it? Thanks in advance.

 

I don't see why not. Depending on how wet your nib is, and the sort of paper you are writing on, you may want to dilute it a bit with 10% or 20% distilled water if it seems to be a bit gloopy, or takes a long time to dry.

 

As with any ink, don't let it dry out in your pen, and flush thoroughly when changing inks. The component that makes NB permanent is a chemical that bonds with the cellulose in paper, it has no effect on any components in your pen.


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Posted 24 March 2018 - 14:20

My MB 146 has been inked for over a week now with the 95% MB Perm Blue and 5% MB Perm Black.. Happy to report that the pen is still writing perfectly! 



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Posted 07 April 2018 - 16:07

My MB 146 has been inked for over a week now with the 95% MB Perm Blue and 5% MB Perm Black.. Happy to report that the pen is still writing perfectly! 

 

The first fill of the 95/5% worked great.  On the second refill, I flushed the pen with water and refilled.  The MB 146 started to hard start and skip again.  Would prime the feed and it would write fine until I put it away for a few hours or more.  Then hard start again.  Emptied and re-flushed and filled a third time.  Completely unreliable and hard starting, even when priming the feed it would stop writing after a few words.

 

Flushed with water and soaked in JB's and flushed and soaked in water.  Let dry and filled with MB Permanent Black and so far it writes fine.  Perm Black seems wetter than Perm Blue.

 

I really loved the blue/black hue of the 95/5% as I'm really not a fan of black ink.  I need a permanent ink and was reluctant to use an iron gall as while they may be water resistant, they're not solvent resistant.  I have R&K Dokumentus, but it is so wet that it bleeds though paper and makes the nibs write at least one sized wider so I use it in my extra fine nibbed pens only.  The MB 146 has a crisp italic and the line variation got lost with Dokumentus.  Line variation looks good with Perm Black.


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Posted 08 April 2018 - 17:12

The first fill of the 95/5% worked great.  On the second refill, I flushed the pen with water and refilled.  The MB 146 started to hard start and skip again.  Would prime the feed and it would write fine until I put it away for a few hours or more.  Then hard start again.  Emptied and re-flushed and filled a third time.  Completely unreliable and hard starting, even when priming the feed it would stop writing after a few words.

 

Flushed with water and soaked in JB's and flushed and soaked in water.  Let dry and filled with MB Permanent Black and so far it writes fine.  Perm Black seems wetter than Perm Blue.

 

Anyone have an idea of why this would happen?


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