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#1 Honeybadgers

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 06:40

I have a lab notebook that is small and requires a NEEDLEPOINT nib to be useful. Right now I'm using an XXF sheaffer snorkel with a triumph nib, which has a needlepoint reverse that works well. but I don't love writing pages and pages reverse. What is the finest out of the box nib I could get? the Platinum 3776 UEF? I have a 3776 SF and it's noticeably too broad. For reference, my lower case letters in this notebook are about 2mm high.

 

I also don't want something too wet for this job, either, since the journal is on less than stellar paper.



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Posted 14 February 2018 - 08:05

I have Platinum UEF and it writes really fine line, it's not too wet either. I don't have way to measure such fine line, but for me it is still legible at 2mm. I don't have other nibs from platinum, but this is about x3 times finer than my other EF nibs.



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Posted 14 February 2018 - 09:54

I have a lab notebook that is small and requires a NEEDLEPOINT nib to be useful. Right now I'm using an XXF sheaffer snorkel with a triumph nib, which has a needlepoint reverse that works well. but I don't love writing pages and pages reverse. What is the finest out of the box nib I could get? the Platinum 3776 UEF? I have a 3776 SF and it's noticeably too broad. For reference, my lower case letters in this notebook are about 2mm high.

 

I also don't want something too wet for this job, either, since the journal is on less than stellar paper.

 

Wow! If at all possible, could you post a picture of one of those pages? I really can't imagine writing that small!!!



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Posted 14 February 2018 - 17:02

You are bordering on the cusp of what is achievable with a FP. For reliablilty and legibility, I switched over to 0.28mm gel pens from Uni (Mitsubishi). I needed to keep track of 24 patients' labs, results, comings and goings, all on a single side of 8.5x11" paper, and I needed to squeeze as much as info as I could on that paper while remaining legible. Best of luck in your search. You may need to find a nib meister to do custom work for you. I'd recommend Mike at Mike-it-work, but he has long lead times as expected for a one-man-band in high demand (and for good reason too).   



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Posted 14 February 2018 - 17:15

Pilot 912 PO(posting nib)


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 23:37

Here's two photos of writing with my Platinum with 3776 UEF nib (slightly smoothed by me) using Sailor Kuro Guro ink on HP 32# paper.
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Edited by Lloyd, 15 February 2018 - 04:26.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 00:06

I have seen some vintage Sheaffer and Parker nibs that write with a 0.2mm or 0.25mm line. You may need to send the pen to a nib tech to have it ground down and smoothed to get what you want. 

 

OTOH, a fine Pilot Prera nib comes pretty close.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 02:58

What you may need is a technical pen: you can find a nib down to .13mm if you do some searching on eBay.
Tungsten nibs are still available and work well if you can keep them clean.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 03:27

A needlepoint nibbed pen from Franklin Christoph? They provide a 0.25mm line.

I found a 9450 renew point for Esterbrooks to be rather good for small writing, though I have never measured the size of my letters. Though I did use it to fill out multiple single 3x5 notecards with physics and chemistry formulas for tests back in my college days.
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 04:04

4 x 0 Rapidograph drafting pen will give you a roughly 0.2 mm line.  I used one in college for fine detail work and it was very reliable and precise.  It's more a stylograph than a conventional fountain pen, though, if that is important to you.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 04:46

What you may need is a technical pen: you can find a nib down to .13mm if you do some searching on eBay.
Tungsten nibs are still available and work well if you can keep them clean.

I was going to suggest the same thing. I have two. A 4 x 0 (.18 mm) and a 3 x 0 (.1 mm). Bought the .18 new in 1980, but in checking them out today, noticed the little wire on it is so short it doesn't reach the end anymore. I picked up the 3 x 0 (.1) on ebay a few years ago for about $7. You can get a set for about $50. Mine are Staedtler Mars 700's.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 17:33

I fixed the photos that I tried to post above.


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Posted 16 February 2018 - 05:36

...What is the finest out of the box nib I could get? the Platinum 3776 UEF? I have a 3776 SF and it's noticeably too broad. For reference, my lower case letters in this notebook are about 2mm high.

 

I also don't want something too wet for this job, either, since the journal is on less than stellar paper.

 a Pilot PO nib as someone else has also suggested above. Designed for the job.


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Posted 17 February 2018 - 22:25

I know a technical pen can be finer, but I don't really want to use a rapidograph.

 

I like the PO nib idea, but it's about double the price. So I went with the UEF for $65.



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Posted 18 February 2018 - 02:13

I know a technical pen can be finer, but I don't really want to use a rapidograph.

 

I like the PO nib idea, but it's about double the price. So I went with the UEF for $65.

Hope it works for your use. Enjoy!


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Posted 18 February 2018 - 03:02

You also need an ink that doesn't spread, so no Diamine, Noodler's (except Black) and Private Reserve

I use Sailor Kiwaguro NanoCarbon Black, a carbon pigmented ink.

You also  need, and this might be hard using work-supplied stationery, paper that itself doesn't let ink spread. Hard, smooth paper like Kokuyo Campus.


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Posted 18 February 2018 - 05:20

Hi

 

I put forward thee notion that you get rid of that lab notebook in exchange for something that suits your personal preference. :: Why use a hairs breadth nib when you prefer a plump M?

 

Beware the tyranny of the page. !!

 

And I just write over lines that are too tight.  If lines/columns are labelled, I have them enlarged to A3 for use.  

 

 

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Posted 18 February 2018 - 21:50

Hi

 

I put forward thee notion that you get rid of that lab notebook in exchange for something that suits your personal preference. :: Why use a hairs breadth nib when you prefer a plump M?

 

Beware the tyranny of the page. !!

 

And I just write over lines that are too tight.  If lines/columns are labelled, I have them enlarged to A3 for use.  

 

 

Bye,

S1

 

Because I actually really like the notebook  :lol:  It's a peter pauper dot grid. hard back, elastic close, thick paper. It does bleed and feather a LITTLE bit and doesn't sheen at all, but it's just a good notebook. it's just maybe one inch too short and one inch too narrow. But I can't change books until the end of the quarter either. 

 

Probably going to try the leuch essential next, it's a little bigger. It has to be graph/dot and it needs to be hard cover and can't have removable pages.



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Posted 18 February 2018 - 22:33

Platinum UEF.  Mine is on a 3776 Century.  In addition to the ultra extra fine tip, the slip & seal cap mechanism really does keep to from drying out.  It starts instantly when uncapped, even if it hasn't been used for weeks.



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Posted 18 February 2018 - 23:16

Hi

 

I put forward thee notion that you get rid of that lab notebook in exchange for something that suits your personal preference. :: Why use a hairs breadth nib when you prefer a plump M?

 

Beware the tyranny of the page. !!

 

And I just write over lines that are too tight.  If lines/columns are labelled, I have them enlarged to A3 for use.  

 

 

Bye,

S1

It's it the "tyranny of the page", it's using a different notebook's characteristics to justify ANOTHER pen. 


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