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Possible Parker 51 With Franken Body

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#1 NGiducos

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 15:32

So i bought this parker (and a pilot short pen 2) on a whim because it was so inexpensive about $17 for the both of them. Now when i got the pen i was puzzled with the parker because in the cap it stated that it was a parker 21 but when i unscrewed the body i was shocked to see that it came with the standard 51 aerometric sac. The body didnt have any indication that it was a 51... I havent been able to take it apart since i left it at my dorm and im currently out of town, can anyone help me identify it?

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 00:10

Pictures would obviously help.

 

However, a 51 will have a groove around the clutch ring, the 21 clutch ring will be round un-grooved and raised. 

 

Is the sac guard a full cover with the press filler or a hoop type?


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 00:36

Pictures would indeed help. The Super 21 had a variety of clutch rings, including the one with a depression in the middle associated with the 51. So we need to know more. The barrel of a Parker 51 doesn't bear any inscription saying that it belongs to a Parker 51. (At least mine don't.) Let's have a look at the pen.

 

The other point is that the cap of a 21, whether the plain or the Super, doesn't fit a 51 barrel. If this pen has a cap and barrel that seem to fit together, and the cap says "21," then the pen seems rather unlikely to be anything else.



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Posted 14 February 2018 - 00:36

Pictures would obviously help.
 
However, a 51 will have a groove around the clutch ring, the 21 clutch ring will be round un-grooved and raised. 
 
Is the sac guard a full cover with the press filler or a hoop type?


I'd love to post some pics of it but im currently out of town but i will be back later, ill post some pics of it when i get back.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 00:48

Pictures would obviously help.

 

However, a 51 will have a groove around the clutch ring, the 21 clutch ring will be round un-grooved and raised. 

 

Is the sac guard a full cover with the press filler or a hoop type?

 

On my 21, the clutch ring was actually 2 pieces that interlock.  I discovered this when I was trying to put the pen back together and couldn't, and discovered that one ring of the clutch ring had gone down the drain....  :o  (Fortunately, it hadn't been washed away entirely and was found in the trap, in spite of its extremely light weight.)

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 03:41

Pictures would indeed help. The Super 21 had a variety of clutch rings, including the one with a depression in the middle associated with the 51. So we need to know more. The barrel of a Parker 51 doesn't bear any inscription saying that it belongs to a Parker 51. (At least mine don't.) Let's have a look at the pen.
 
The other point is that the cap of a 21, whether the plain or the Super, doesn't fit a 51 barrel. If this pen has a cap and barrel that seem to fit together, and the cap says "21," then the pen seems rather unlikely to be anything else.


Here is how a Parker 51 would look with a parker S21 cap and vice versa ie a Parker S21 with a Parker 51 cap. In fact the caps of both pens were swapped for the purpose of taking this picture. Obviously the longer pen is the P51 with a 21 cap.


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 03:48

I have concluded that its a parker 51 inside the body of a 21

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 03:52

I have concluded that its a parker 51 inside the body of a 21



I don't think so. The barrel of a 21/S21 wouldn't fit a 51. The cap of a 21/S21, however, would fit but would not sit on the 51 as deep as its own (51) cap would.

Edited by mitto, 14 February 2018 - 03:56.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 04:11

Here are some pics https://drive.google...7KmfrgZSvi-g1W5

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 04:18

Definitely a parker 51 (hood, barrel and filler) minus the cap which belongs to a 21.

Edited to add:

You just have to source a 51 aero standard size cap. Rest every thing is P51 standrad.

Edited by mitto, 14 February 2018 - 04:28.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 04:26

Indeed it is...





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