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Esterbrook 427 Double Dipless Inkwell Desk Set Help Please.


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#1 moomaloo

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 10:10

Good morning fellow FPNers. I have a hankering for one of these desk sets to use with fountain pens (not dip pens) as a snazzy alternative to simply having a couple of bottles of ink on my desk. I love the Bakelite and the general design.

However, I'm confused about whether or not the ones I see in the usual places (eBay mainly) are complete and/or useable. - Most seem to consist of the one-piece Bakelite 'tray' with two glass covers for the wells, each held in place by a stainless steel clip. Is that it?! Does the ink sit within the Bakelite wells directly or should there be some sort of 'well liner'? Also, should there be a seal/washer between the tray and the glass lids?

What is the minimum I should be looking for before these desk sets become totally unusable?

I was hoping to find the Esterbrook user instructions for these sets online, but no luck so far...

Many thanks.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 13:59

I think the ones with covers are for dip pens. Covers are not required for fountain pens.

Google Esterbrook dB 322 desk set for several links

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 17:26

The 427, 444, and 447 (other numbers too, I think) are all designed for the dipless system that supplies ink to the nib of the pen so that it is wet when pulled out for use. Like many other Esterbrook users, I like the system and keep a set on my desk permanently (a deluxe 444 style set is on my desk at the moment--my biggest regret is that I don't have more places to keep other sets inked up).

 

To the best of my knowledge they cannot be used as simply an ink well for filling fountain pens. Esterbrook desk pens will fit in the opening and can be used in place of a dipless pen but the section of the pen slides far enough down into the opening that it can get ink on it (which of course then transfers to your fingers).

 

If you use a fountain pen regularly at your desk, I would recommend the Esterbrook dipless system. They will experience some evaporation but the occasional addition of water keeps a unit going for months. Note also, a dipless pen does not need constant dipping in the inkwell but can write a half page or more when pulled out of the inkwell.

 

it safe to mention on this forum that several other companies, like Sengbusch and Sheaffer (even Parker), made similar units because at one time business counters (like banks) across the US had a dipless style pen set sitting on them?

 

Esterbrook has several styles of holders for desk pens. A look at Brian Anderson's Esterbrook website will show you some pictures of them.

 

Esterbrook pens are a delight to use.



#4 moomaloo

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 12:25

Thanks for your help both of you. I was assuming that I could use this simply as a decorative way of storing ink on my desk? Could I not just lift the lid off the individual well, insert fountain pen into the larger well aperture, fill pen and close lid again?

Or am I being stupid...?!

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 16:43

Thanks for your help both of you. I was assuming that I could use this simply as a decorative way of storing ink on my desk? Could I not just lift the lid off the individual well, insert fountain pen into the larger well aperture, fill pen and close lid again?

Or am I being stupid...?!

 

  Question # 1..Possible. Question # 2..No. It would be extraordinarily difficult to access the ink.....

  But..if this floats your boat..go right ahead....You do not need anybody's permission......To

  Disassemble and Reassemble...........................................Each time...................

 

  Instructions re 407 from Esterbrook.Net , Brian Anderson , Anderson Pens.................

  http://www.esterbroo...era/dipless.jpg

 

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Edited by Freddy, 14 February 2018 - 16:56.


#6 moomaloo

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 12:38

Thank you. I hadn't realised it was this tricky (not having actually seen one 'in the flesh'). I shall turn my interest elsewhere...








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