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Greeting From Manchester, Uk - Possible Mb 146 Purchase

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#1 Milowokie

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 15:50

Long-time lurker.

Dropped by after viewing a pre-loved (possible) 146 in a local shop.

 

It's up for sale for £150, but subject to offers.

 

It comes in a nice square box with a bottle of black ink (dated 2013, use by?). The inside of the box is somewhat stained by different colours of ink in the pen storage and bottle storage areas, as though the ink bottle has been replaced when the bottle was wet or the pen put away or taken out by inky fingers.

 

There is a GERMANY mark on the cap ring, a blue/grey non-slatted ink window and MONTBLANC MEISTERSTUCK 146 on the barrel, but I have yet to get the pen to 'glow red' when a torch is used, and I think it could be of a pre-pix and serial number vintage.

 

The nib is full gold, marked 4810 (M) 14C and non-magnetic.

 

A demonstration shows it will expel and draw ink when the mechanism is unscrewed/screwed revealing a black, plastic thread under the gold ring.

 

General wisdom on here says that the piston fillers are too complicated/expensive to reproduce, and the better option is for cartridge/converter pens to be made instead, but is that still the case?

 

I may go back for a second look later today and provide pictures (if permitted) to help confirm or debunk its authenticity.

 

Any advice would be welcome, I may then go onto how to get my Parker Falcon to write consistently....

 

Thanks.


Edited by Milowokie, 07 February 2018 - 15:52.


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 16:24

Long-time lurker.

Dropped by after viewing a pre-loved (possible) 146 in a local shop.

 

It's up for sale for £150, but subject to offers.

 

It comes in a nice square box with a bottle of black ink (dated 2013, use by?). The inside of the box is somewhat stained by different colours of ink in the pen storage and bottle storage areas, as though the ink bottle has been replaced when the bottle was wet or the pen put away or taken out by inky fingers.

 

There is a GERMANY mark on the cap ring, a blue/grey non-slatted ink window and MONTBLANC MEISTERSTUCK 146 on the barrel, but I have yet to get the pen to 'glow red' when a torch is used, and I think it could be of a pre-pix and serial number vintage.

 

The nib is full gold, marked 4810 (M) 14C and non-magnetic.

 

A demonstration shows it will expel and draw ink when the mechanism is unscrewed/screwed revealing a black, plastic thread under the gold ring.

 

General wisdom on here says that the piston fillers are too complicated/expensive to reproduce, and the better option is for cartridge/converter pens to be made instead, but is that still the case?

 

I may go back for a second look later today and provide pictures (if permitted) to help confirm or debunk its authenticity.

 

Any advice would be welcome, I may then go onto how to get my Parker Falcon to write consistently....

 

Thanks.

Okay. Welcome home.  Pull up a stump and set a spell.

 

Piston fillers are no longer difficult or expensive to make. (Actually they never were) There are even under $10.00 Chinese piston fillers and the Reform 1745 was never expensive.

 

The 146 is a nice earlier model, and if actually 14C (not 14K) very early resin 146 era most likely 1970s.

 

The case is not correct for that pen.

 

£150 seems very strong but certainly not outrageous.

 

I am using inks made over a half century ago.

 

Honestly a blue no stripe window 14C 146  is pretty close to a perfect pen.

 

To make your Falcon work...

 

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 17:01

Hello and welcome to FPN.  :W2FPN:

 

Your statement: "Piston fillers are too complicated/expensive to produce and the better option is for cartridge/converter pens to be made instead" is not correct, especially as far as Montblanc pens are concerned. I would place money on the fact that more FPN members would prefer Montblanc piston fillers to their C/C fillers.



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 17:31

Greetings and welcome to FPN.
I have a couple C/C MBs (a 144 and a 145) but would not buy any more C/C Montblancs.
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Posted 07 February 2018 - 17:49

Hello and Welcome to FPN!! Glad to have you as a member!!

The 146 sounds legit on the surface, hope it works out for you to get it!


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 18:11

I would be very concerned about the authenticity of the pen if the nib was marked 14 C rather than 14 K. My bi coloured nib also has MONT BLANC in smaller script under the 14 K.

 

My cap has MONTBLANC MEISTERSTUCK around the ring while the body has a slatted window and no other markings. I don't know it's age, but it has been authenticated by a Mont Blanc dealer (not the seller).

 

As to too expensive to reproduce, just look at how much a discounted MB can be sold for...



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 18:21

Like the Millennium Falcon, the Parker Falcon can be made to work after a couple of sharp taps.

 

Managed to get some photos, alas from a 'phone they don't do the pen justice, but here they are.

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 18:34

Welcome! You will find lots of great information here and many suggestions to expand your collection.

 

A small light works best for the red test my MontBlanc 147 bodyimage.jpeg

 

Cheers,

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Edited by omarcenaro, 07 February 2018 - 18:45.

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 18:44

MontBlanc 147 capimage.jpeg

 


Edited by omarcenaro, 07 February 2018 - 18:46.

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 18:46

Not sure they'd allow me to disassemble it like that. :yikes:



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 18:46

Fake

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 18:47

For a piston filler, hopefully they let you take the cap off and test.


Edited by omarcenaro, 07 February 2018 - 18:49.

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 18:55

I used a small olight torch and only got the threaded area of the cap to glow, it was there, but not obvious or immediately noticable.

 

Given the nib is from an earlier style could the pen material be 'less glowy' too, or does it differ from model to model too?


Edited by Milowokie, 07 February 2018 - 18:57.


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 18:57

Someone else will have to tell us if vintage MontBlanc pens can be trans illuminated or where they opaque black resin versus more modern precious resin ones that can be trans illuminated. 


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 19:07

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Posted 08 February 2018 - 08:35

Hello and welcome to FPN, from Cape Town, South Africa.


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Posted 08 February 2018 - 10:25

I would be very concerned about the authenticity of the pen if the nib was marked 14 C rather than 14 K. My bi coloured nib also has MONT BLANC in smaller script under the 14 K.

 

My cap has MONTBLANC MEISTERSTUCK around the ring while the body has a slatted window and no other markings. I don't know it's age, but it has been authenticated by a Mont Blanc dealer (not the seller).

 

As to too expensive to reproduce, just look at how much a discounted MB can be sold for...

 

You would be wrong to doubt the authenticity of a Montblanc pen if the nib has 14C on it rather than 14K, as there are many such authentic Montblanc nibs that are designated as 14C.



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Posted 08 February 2018 - 10:30

OP, have no worries about your Montblanc 146. It's authentic.  :)  Enjoy it.  :)

 

There are plenty of fakes from China that now glow slightly red like the authentic version, so it's no longer a given that if it glows red it must be authentic.

 

You don't need a light source to see that the pen cap in post #11 is fake. You only have to look at the fake clip and "stuck on" bands.



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Posted 08 February 2018 - 11:26

Welcome to FPN.

 

That's a great 146, one of my favourites.

You'd need to take it apart to shine a torch up the barrel - I wouldn't bother. From your photos and info, it looks 100% genuine!

If you have any doubts or questions about it, start a new thread in the Montblanc sub-forum. The experts there will soon put your mind at rest - and include some photos. We all like to see a 146.

 

Enjoy the forum



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Posted 08 February 2018 - 12:33

As others have said, that is a real 146 with a very high degree of certainty. It is from the early return of the 146 as well.  Again, the case is from much later. Your pen originally came in a cream colored clam shell package. 


Edited by jar, 08 February 2018 - 12:34.

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