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Is there really a "Gregg Pen?"
Posted 04 June 2007 - 18:55
Posted 04 June 2007 - 19:23
I believe that Sheaffer, as well as Esterbrook and Wahl, produced such pens under license (see David Nishimura's article at http://www.vintagepe..._discovery.htm). So yes, there are Gregg pens, but they were not manufactured by the Gregg company.
Edited by BillTheEditor, 04 June 2007 - 19:36.
Posted 04 June 2007 - 19:58
I have never seen an equivalent version on an Esterbrook. However, I believe there are Estrbrook models with a subtle 'shorthand' symbol on the barrel. Sheaffers with this same marking are seen. This is the closest to an Esterbrook 'Gregg' pen I have heard of.
Best regards, greg
Posted 04 June 2007 - 21:36
I've got one.. One of my favorite fine nibs..
Posted 04 June 2007 - 21:57
Nope. Beginning with the Balance in 1929, there is no place for a cap-crown emblem on the end of most Sheaffer pens. Sheaffer imprinted the barrels of its Gregg pens with a symbol meaning Fregg Endorsed. Also, the Gregg Waterman 94 has GREGG embossed on the clip.
Posted 04 June 2007 - 23:34
Do you know which series this may have been in? Dollar pens or later J series?
Posted 05 June 2007 - 02:34
Richard, I don't know when these pens were made, but I was under the impression they were made by Sheaffer. The feed and the lever definitely have a Sheaffer-ey look to them.
Best regards, greg
Posted 05 June 2007 - 02:40
Posted 05 June 2007 - 02:54
You will find the info on Gregg shorthand in http://en.wikipedia....Gregg_Shorthand. Basically, it is a system to take notes (dictate) very fast. I do not know what makes these nibs good for that purpose. But I have a Esterbrook with a "Gregg shorthand" nib (#9555), which was one of the two Firm Fine #9000 nibs offered by Esterbrook (the other is #9555 recommended for "general writing"). I bought it with that nib on the assumption that it would be good for taking notes fast--in my experience, it is.
Posted 05 June 2007 - 03:01
There is an excellent Wikipedia article on Gregg shorthand that covers the subject very well. (Added: here's one that covers all the more common shorthand systems, and provides illustrations: http://www.alysion.o...andwriting.htm)
Briefly, though, Gregg shorthand is a phonetic system of writing that was once used very widely (almost universally) for taking dictation, recording court proceedings, and (by some students) for taking class notes.
There were other shorthand systems, such as Pitman, but Gregg was pretty much the standard and as recently as twenty years ago applicants for secretarial positions could expect to have to pass tests on their Gregg shorthand speed and their typing speed. Top dictation speed with Gregg depended partly on the version of Gregg being used, but top speed was about 150 words per minute. When I worked for the local power company in the 80s, my secretary could take dictation faster than I could talk (but of course, I'm a Texan, and you'd have to set fire to my hat or my truck to get me to talk fast).
The pen used for Gregg shorthand had a fine, stiff nib. Frequently, though, the person taking Gregg shorthand used a pencil or a ballpoint pen, though neither was as good for the purpose as a fountain pen. All strokes in Gregg were the same weight, so a stiff nib was perfect.
The Pitman system, on the other hand, used a fountain pen with an extra fine, flexible nib. Certain strokes were thick, others were thin, and a flexible nib was the only practical way to do this.
Edited by BillTheEditor, 05 June 2007 - 03:23.
Posted 05 June 2007 - 12:27
Posted 08 December 2011 - 05:49
In the interest of showing another example of a Gregg-endorsed pen, I'm showing pix of my green marble Wahl Eversharp - a pen with a fantastically smooth 14k Manifold F nib. It has the Gregg enameled logo on the cap crown. Yes, it happens to be a long, thin pen, and is a pleasure to write with.
Posted 08 December 2011 - 08:47
The official Gregg pens are also long and narrow. I haven't seen any explanation of why Gregg shorthand should be done with a long, narrow pen, but it doesn't appear to be coincidence. I can imagine a Gregg teacher telling students to buy an Esterbrook LJ and fit it with a 1555 nib. There certainly seem to be a lot of those out there.
The answer to that might be "light, with good ink capacity for lengthy dictation". Waterman made a long thin eyedropper-filled #2 sized secretary's pen" (about the length of a #20, if memory serves). The length, to hold a good supply of ink, and the thinness to keep the pen light for fast action with the strokes and curls. BTW, they're very hard to find. Seems they were very easy to break. Shorthand is as much art as it is writing, and required a skilled, deft hand.
Edited by Hobiwan, 08 December 2011 - 08:49.
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 16:45
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:26
I think that's a Wearever, not a Waterman's...
I have this Gregg Fountain Pen for sale;
Any info anyone can give me about it would be greatly appreciated.
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