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Is This Swan Nib Damaged?


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#1 steven r

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 14:13

Hi, I recently bought this Swan pen and did not notice this "step" in the nib as it was coated with ink, now its clean you can see it, should it be there? it looks to perfect to be damage and there is no sign of anything underneath.

Also does anybody know the model of the Swan pen, 

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#2 hari317

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 14:43

Looks like the upturned point. Some nibs had this feature. Like Mc Niven and Cameron, Sheaffer etc. the former pioneered it I believe.

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 15:11

Is it turned up or turned down?

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 15:15

I believe it first turns down and then up. Like a spoon point.
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Posted 14 January 2018 - 16:25

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Is it turned up or turned down?

Thank you for your reply, i have attached a couple of photos so you can see the shape, thanks



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Posted 14 January 2018 - 17:06

That's wild. I've never seen it before but it looks very intentional. How does it write?

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 17:25

I've a couple of rigid dip pen nibs like that; called ornamental nibs. 

How flexible is it?


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 18:54

Thank you for your reply, i have attached a couple of photos so you can see the shape, thanks

That's much clearer now, thank you. That's a very strange shape!

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 19:58

That's wild. I've never seen it before but it looks very intentional. How does it write?

I will fit a new sac shortly after everything is cleaned and test it. the nail test shows me that it is has a fair bit of flex, i could probably do a dip test but  the most of the pen is soaking in water at the moment, I have never seen some much ink in a pen! any idea of the model? 



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Posted 14 January 2018 - 20:26

I will fit a new sac shortly after everything is cleaned and test it. the nail test shows me that it is has a fair bit of flex, i could probably do a dip test but  the most of the pen is soaking in water at the moment, I have never seen some much ink in a pen! any idea of the model? 


Not a clue. Have you tried asking in the Mabie Todd forum?

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 20:37

I would say it didn’t leave the nib shop as shown.
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Posted 14 January 2018 - 23:23

IMG_0128.JPG IMG05115-20180114-1619.jpg IMG05116-20180114-1619.jpg IMG05096-20180114-1329.jpg Hi, I recently bought this Swan pen and did not notice this "step" in the nib as it was coated with ink, now its clean you can see it, should it be there? it looks to perfect to be damage and there is no sign of anything underneath.

Also does anybody know the model of the Swan pen, 

thank you.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:42

Your pen is a 1060 from about 1940.

 

Nibs with tips like that are found on Swan pens - I recall a 242/52 (American Swan) I had that had a similar nib.  I have no idea why these were made

 

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The pen is on the right in this picture:

 

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:45

Nothing wrong with that nib at all. Some were made like that.  I can't tell you much about it. I think Cob had info in a post a while back.

 

model L4XX/60

L for leverless

4 for the nib size

XX for the band pattern, which I can't identify at the moment

60 representing black.

 

Assuming it came with a section and feed, it is a lovely pen!

 

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Cob:

Why 1060 and not L4XX/60?

It matches the lizard leverless, except the banding, and those have the older designation. Or perhaps the banding is the answer, showing it to be later 1060 numbering??


Edited by Greenie, 15 January 2018 - 01:48.


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Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:45

cross posted with Cob...  :)



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Posted 15 January 2018 - 11:14

But I like the shape of the nib. :)
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 11:19

I would say it didn’t leave the nib shop as shown.

 

Now I can see it properly, I would tend to agree with FarmBoy.  :)



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Posted 15 January 2018 - 11:48

I have such nibs and I wouldn't say these didn't leave the factory like that. In fact I have an Osmia Faber Castel currently inked with the same shape nib. Kind of spoon tip. And the nib is full flex.

Here is the nib:

https://drive.google...ew?usp=drivesdk

Another monstrous one. This one is parker, though. Made in Canada:

https://drive.google...ew?usp=drivesdk

Edited by mitto, 15 January 2018 - 13:53.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 13:28

Might be similar to a Waverly tip that was made in England '30's and later. That allowed low or high holds of the pen.

Richard Binder made a 'Waverly tip' many years later.

 

That is one rare O-F-C nib...I'm not an expert only having 8 or so Osmia and Osmia-Faber-Castell pens. But had never seen one back when I searched German Ebay for Osmia/O-F-C pens.


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Posted 15 January 2018 - 14:04

Might be similar to a Waverly tip that was made in England '30's and later...
 
That is one rare O-F-C nib...I'm not an expert only having 8 or so Osmia and Osmia-Faber-Castell pens. But had never seen one back when I searched German Ebay for Osmia/O-F-C pens.


The flexibility of the O.F.C nib:


https://drive.google...ew?usp=drivesdk
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