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#1 nweissma

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 18:53

the latest Fountain Pen Hospital catalogue includes the Wahl-Eversharp Companys Skyline 100-Year Collection which features:

"semi-flex ceramic gold-plated stainless steel nib"

in what layer is the ceramic and how is the ceramic applied

what is the engineering purpose of the ceramic - is it synergistic with with gilded steel

is this the first historical instance of cramc being used in a nib

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#2 Bo Bo Olson

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 21:51

Who said it was semi-flex.....there are a lot of 'so called' semi-flex or "flex" nibs out there that are not even semi-flex.

It appears to me, that nibs that are only old regular flex are being sold as semi-flex.

 

 

What is odd is my ceramic knife....have one, had one before. Is unused because of the danger of it chipping.

 

Skeptical.


Edited by Bo Bo Olson, 11 December 2017 - 21:54.

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#3 welch

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 00:07

the latest Fountain Pen Hospital catalogue includes the Wahl-Eversharp Companys Skyline 100-Year Collection which features:

"semi-flex ceramic gold-plated stainless steel nib"

in what layer is the ceramic and how is the ceramic applied

what is the engineering purpose of the ceramic - is it synergistic with with gilded steel

is this the first historical instance of cramc being used in a nib

 

 

Best to ask this question in the Wahl / Eversharp sub-forum. Sid Saperstein, the admin, leads the new Wahl-Eversharp.

 

I don't remember the story behind their ceramic nibs. Best to read what "The Wahl-nut" says. What little I remember: the nibs have some spring to them. They might be close to the soft nibs in the mid-40's Eversharp Skyline, but those were not intended to be full-scale flex nibs.(Eversharp might have made a few flex-nibbed Skylines, but the US market had almost no interest in flexible nibs...).


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#4 sidthecat

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 02:14

Maybe it’s a high-tech kind of thing, but when’s the last time you tried to flex a teacup?

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 06:42

Ceramic is famous for hardness. Not flexibility. Something ain't right.



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Posted 12 December 2017 - 17:41

I'm guessing it's a stainless steel nib with a "ceramic gold plating", not a ceramic nib.



#7 Bo Bo Olson

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 19:09

It was my understanding in the '30's Eversharp made flexible nibs and in the '40's semi-flexible...

 

There is a World of Difference between  semi-flexible & "soft"....and I can't get over calling a semi-flex "soft" like it was some sort of mushy Japanese nib.

 

Yes it's softer than a nail, so is a regular flex!.....some times I wonder if the fabled soft Japanese gold nibs are just regular flex...and too few folks have a regular flex nibbed pen. Just like I wonder about semi-nail gold nibs being compared to steel nails (gold nails = exactly steel nails), for this myth of gold nibs being 'softer'.


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Posted 12 December 2017 - 21:16

Bo, you really do get sidetracked anytime anyone even mentions the word "flex"  :P

 

We aren't talking about flex. We're talking about a bizzare alloy that likely doesn't exist.



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 00:08

Maybe it’s a high-tech kind of thing, but when’s the last time you tried to flex a teacup?

It was around the time I flexed my stainless steel cutlery and gold ring.

 

Flexibility is usually connected to the material, but depends on the specific composition, thickness, geometry, etc.

 

It's not ceramic, but willow glass is a type of glass that is flexible, yet glass is seen as being supple and brittle. Perhaps (and this is just speculation), a similar material was used for the nib.



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 02:03

Here's a review from nearly 5 years ago of a Wahl-Eversharp pen featuring the nib in question.  Test-writing begins at about 10:38:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=Q5mrmiktXJE

 

I'll drop a couple of guesses in the box: the nib is stainless steel coated with ceramic, which is then deposited with gold.  And I'll guess that the ceramic is silicon nitride.


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 11:52

OK, good semi-flex nib....surprised me. :blush:


Edited by Bo Bo Olson, 13 December 2017 - 11:52.

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www.nibs.com/blog/nibster-writes/nibs-germany      Info on Bock nibs

 

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 17:35

My wife bought one of those white "ceramic knives". It does flex a bit but it also chips. If you think about it, the line between glass and ceramic is fuzzy. There are examples of ceramic/metallic bonds in composites. Also, glass strand certainly bends. Just some casual thoughts; going to the source makes sense.

 

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#13 KellyMcJ

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 22:46

I'm betting "ceramic gold" doesn't have much to do with ceramic and it's some sort of trade name.

 

I really, really want to know what it is.

 

Also, that pen, and nib, is awesome. I might want one now. I love my vintage Skyline.  :wub:



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 22:50

The official Wahl-Eversharp site says "ceramic coated gold" though so now I'm not so sure.  :unsure:



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Posted 23 December 2017 - 16:11

This was bugging me so I did some quick searching around....

 

Flexible ceramics are now a thing. 

Here's one example of a flexible ceramic coating (Not that this is what Wahl is using but it's an example) https://ceram-kote.com/products/



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Posted 23 December 2017 - 17:44

Here is Sid's answer to the original question. http://www.fountainp...ed-ceramic-nib/


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#17 KellyMcJ

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 17:54

Here is Sid's answer to the original question. http://www.fountainp...ed-ceramic-nib/


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