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1930S Waterman's Vest Pocket Pens?


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#1 chunya

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 11:59

Hi,

 

I recently picked up these two short Waterman 'vest' (?) pens in a job lot but have have had no luck in tracking down the models. Apologies for the photo quality as it's a very overcast morning. One is in a very vibrant 'moss' (?) finish and the other is a slightly faded black.They have identical short stepped clips and cap bands, and also the same barrel imprints. The black is slightly longer than the green, and they measure approximately 10.5cm capped. There is no model number on the barrel end I'm afraid.

 

Any ideas would be most welcome.

 

 

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 12:11

They are both Waterman Lady Patricia's.  They were introduced at the very start of the 1930's.  The multicolor one is a material/ color called Persian, and is known to discolor.  Your pen started much more like the bottom end (bright pinks, greens) but has become brown and gray over time.  Extremely common.  The other is most likely black hard rubber.  The Lady Patricia was made in black in both BHR and in celluloid, but only the BHR is going to fade that distinctive way.

They are wonderful pens, and easy to repair.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 12:15

Some other color Lady Patricias:

 

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Some Persian pens and pencils which show a slightly better color, though hopefully someone will come along with a great Persian example.

You can see that the pens (pretty much) always discolor more dramatically than the pencils due to the effects of the sac.

 

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 12:16

Hi Greg,

Many thanks for that superfast response and all the info ! Sadly you do get used to one half fading, pretty much like the Duofolds of the period. I'm no Waterman expert, but when you say 'common' does that refer to the pen or the discoloration?

 

And thanks for those pics! The one I have is a lot brighter in real life, just terrible lighting this morning


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 14:08

The discoloration is common with the Persian pens. That is, it's very difficult to find a bright one.

 

Enjoy your Lady Patricias!



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Posted 07 December 2017 - 16:45

I have two LPs: in Nacre. One has the classical clip, and the other is a ringtop. I’ve never seen another.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 22:36

I have two LPs: in Nacre. One has the classical clip, and the other is a ringtop. I’ve never seen another.

That sounds interesting sidthecat, do you have a photo of the ringtop pen you can share?

 

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 02:37

Here it is: rather discolored and worn, but the furniture is right. A bit of a head-scratcher. Perhaps a special-order way back when.

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 06:06

Here it is: rather discolored and worn, but the furniture is right. A bit of a head-scratcher. Perhaps a special-order way back when.

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Very interesting, thanks for sharing it.

So the top definitely looks to you like a factory workup, rather than a later repair?

 

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 17:42

There’s no indication of an earlier clip, and the top is flat. It seems deliberate.

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 21:18

There’s no indication of an earlier clip, and the top is flat. It seems deliberate.

Very, very cool. Thanks for sharing it with us.

 

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