Of course you could learn to write wider....but the miss marked nib will always bother you....in you started out in Japanese nibbed pens....there for all western pens will always be too fat for you.
By being stubborn, you will never have any fun with a wide nib.
I can write tiny if I put my mind to it.....but have enough paper I don't need too......besides which, I like shading inks, which start shading at F and M, and not at EF and especially Japanese EF.
So you condemn your self to vivid supersaturated inks. I believe sheen starts with wider nibs also.
Take 2 sheets of paper, fold in half....write front and back....write as wide as possible on the first quarter, slightly smaller on the next quarter, and so on down to the last quarter where you have your tiny 'normal' script.
There are free templates that allow you to make wider than collage lines, so a wider than skinny nib won't be crowded by the narrow line. ....help you learn to write wider.
I don't mind wider nibs, I actually have a manuscript calligraphy set which is not the best quality but has a few italic nibs of varying sizes. I enjoyed them a great deal, but they have line variation and add some character to your writing, plus they can be narrow or very wide. That's fun and gets you shading and probably sheen. The problem with this nib is that it's neither fine for work and study, nor wide or "italic-y" for fun. It's just too fat or too narrow, that boooring middle spot which is only barely acceptable if it is your only pen. Also, for shading, I'll get some zebra G nibs tomorrow and have already a couple of calligraphy dip pen nibs. I'll practice wider and bigger writing though, I have some pretty inks that are truly wasted with my extra fines.
An 800, 400/600 are fat and blobby double ball nibs, made for Ball Point Barbarians who hold their pens like ball points so a fat tip and a stiffer nib is needed.
I once got to play with a W.Germany 800....with that fabled springy regular flex nib....it was also much thinner than modern. It had it's very own nib size, narrower than the then narrow 400. I do have such nibs....to bad they won't fit the 800....and they are regular flex, not a nail.
In fact I have a chart, showing before Japanese pens became mainline, Parker, Sheaffer being fatter than the normal 400..........the 800 had it's very own width half way between Pelikan and the skinny Waterman (Considered Fat by miss marked Japanese pen users, today).
As much as I don't like the clunky 800, I would consider a W. Germany one. Now that had been a nib.......
My advice sell the used gold nib nail, ..Japanese F in what is actually a true EF nib.....and you are right a modern 800 is a fat F...even in western now....once...well once it was something worth having. After '97 all the Pelikans got fat and blobby but the 200.
You could get a once narrow W. Germany 800 nib in a narrow F, make near western EF or close to Japanese F(EF). But not cheap....see Penboard de...ask in they may have that in the back room and not displayed for sale.
I love that "Ball Point Barbarians" naming , I will call someone that as soon as I have the opportunity. I like the size of the M800 mainly because I have really big hands, but I don't have any problem with smaller pens. I can always post them.
And for the w.Germany 800 nib, do you know if it will fit the newly made pelikan m800? I remember reading somewhere they don't always fit. I'll ask in that penboard.de website, did not know it existed. Also, it is maybe easier to sell the full pen than just the nib, and buy a 400 (or maybe a 100nn?) with a vintage regular flex
As for using the pelikan ink with the pelikan pens, I did, it was better, but still the same problem: either boring or useless. At least in both the papers I have right now: Rhodia R lined pad and oxford optik.
Sending it to Pablo is still an option. I can ask him to ground it extra fine or cursive italic. And reduce the flow a bit. Thank you very much for your answer! A load of info, as always , it is greatly appreciated.
I had a M800 fine that was too wet and wide for me and I let Mike Masuyama work on it and now it is my favorite!
And this. Sigh, I'll never settle for anything money for a new pen is great, but an old pen reborn by a nibmeister is almost as good.
Edited by Antonio90, 06 December 2017 - 18:10.