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#21 Uncial

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 00:32

When you have such an enormous library of inks as Noodler's does it is pretty much inevitable that dyes, components and ingredients will sometimes no longer be available. Rather than stop the production of the ink altogether Nathan tries to replicate it as far as possible. I find most of the replications pretty good and only one or two that I would feel are unsuccessful.

There is also the problem of seeing a review of an ink and thinking that what you buy will be an exact match of what you saw online. This can be a little dangerous as both the digital image and scanning can significantly alter how an inks colour is perceived. Lighting and the characteristics of a nib used will also significantly change the colour appearance of an ink. For instance put Poussiere we Lune in a Sailor xf nib and write a sentence. Use the same ink and write the same sentence underneath it using an xf dip nib and if you weren't aware of the ink used you would bet hard cash that there were two different inks used.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 00:44

I don't think the batch variation is a big deal.  It's just the way noodler's inks may be, and aren't necessarily with regards to a stark majority of his inks.  The inks that have been talked about on this thread as having significant variants have been widely reported to have as such, but aren't representative of most inks and are a small minority.

 

From his mouth, Nathan varies the batches to keep the cost down.  He's on a mission to provide great ink for affordable prices and all in all to provide writing opportunities for a budget...

 

...but the thing is he creates colors that aren't equalled, and those colors behave wonderfully especially for the permanence they provide when they do.  So you have a one man pen company who releases inks that are competing and besting others that are mass produced from large companies.

 

And when you put it into that realistic perspective you have an operation that produces an extraordinary quality per man power that results from meticulous mixing with an objective to keep costs as low as possible.  And many colors that are the most beautiful I've seen while being at the lowest costs, while behaving to high standards.  That's simply brilliant.

 

Yes, I have sailor inks on stock because I know what I'm getting every time,  but they never compare to Noodler's colors from a single mixologist who has a deftness to create a variant of color that requires a precision and eye resulting in a consistent quality of color that is signature to his line, and even with varying batches that result from adapting to varying prices of ingredients to keep the cost down, he is able to hit his "sweet spot" of hue and vibrancy that takes immense precision.

 

And he has so many inks, and so many possibilities in the works.  Nathan may not be able to equal the consistency of the other companies out there, but to get the colors and inks he produces for the price he sells them at, I don't want that consistency.  

 

These are hand made inks. And that concept may be strange regarding inks, but it's the truth and more accurately reflects the operation and mission of Noodler's.

 

I think the fact that Nathan and his one man operation has risen to a level where he is being compared to the large companies with mass produced inks, and at times not meeting those standards, but more times being able to meet those standards and at many times surpassing those standards, is a testament to that man's success even in the criticism he receives.  Very many have a Noodler's ink qualified as their favorite ink and for good reason.

 

I love sailor inks that are regarded as some of the best and the best for the price, but If I were to only have a couple inks, they's be Noodler's inks.


Edited by IndigoBOB, 08 December 2017 - 01:58.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 00:51

So far, with Noodler's, we've mostly gotten what I expected -- from Borealis Black, original Blue, Bad Black Moccasin, Rattler Red Eel, Brown, and Midway Blue.  And my samples of Walnut, Purple Martin and Violet were also about what I'd expected.



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:16

 

If that were the sole explanation, I could accept that.  But I have two bottles that are part of Noodler's "standard" ink line (not bulletproof, forgery-proof, no fancy ink chemistry) that show such extreme variation they really should be labeled as different colors.  I didn't realize my bottle of Cayenne looked more like Habanero until someone posted a Cayenne review whose color looked nothing at all like mine.  I have a bottle of Ottoman Azure that is a dark teal which looks nothing at all like the samples/reviews posted here.   

 

And of course, I have a bottle of Black Swan in Australian Roses that doesn't at all resemble the ink sample I purchased beforehand, nor any of the online samples, none of which resemble each other.

 

Noodler's makes some great inks - I love Heart of Darkness, and I'm still willing to buy Noodler's if I can dip-test the actual bottle first hand to know what I'm getting.  But otherwise, if I can get the color or behavior I'm looking for from another company, I'll do that first for the sake of consistency.

Sorry to hear that. I suppose two different batches of ink could have gotten mixed up....no on is immune from that. I was at a radio site a couple days ago where the wrong order for cavity filters was shipped to our customer.

 

I should point out that other ink companies have suffered this too.

 

I'm curious, did you do anything to try and get the situation corrected?


Edited by FLZapped, 08 December 2017 - 01:23.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 05:01

Sorry to hear that. I suppose two different batches of ink could have gotten mixed up....no on is immune from that.

 

Thing is, I received an ink sample of Ottoman Azure in the mail from another FPN member.  Based on the bright azure blue sample, I ordered a bottle and got a dark teal that looks like a mislabeled bottle of Squeteague.

 

I bought a bottle of Cayenne locally that based on written descriptions sounds more like a mislabeled bottle of Habanero.

 

And I ordered a bottle of BSiAR that doesn't match the ink sample I previously purchased.

 

Out of the seven bottles of Noodler's in my collection, that's three with such extreme variation in color as to be completely different hues.  And two of them are based on comparison with ink samples, so the variations are in-person, no cameras or monitors, and with same pen and paper.

 

Admittedly my sample size is not large.  But I'm hesitant to make it larger.  I can accept minor variations in color between batches, but when two inks with the same name are immediately distinguishable as completely different hues between batches, that's unacceptable to me regardless of the reasons for it.  If the dyes are no longer available, retire the color and give the next batch a new name.

 

I didn't do anything to get the situation(s) corrected.  Dealing with shipping and returns for a single $10 bottle of ink (these were all separate purchases) is not worth the time and hassle.  It's easier to refrain from purchasing more Noodler's in the future.


Edited by ErrantSmudge, 08 December 2017 - 05:10.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:49

I think that at this point most of the standard Noodler's inks have been reviewed ad nauseam, and a lot of the LE inks too.  And it's like the others have said -- some of my favorite inks are Noodler's.  And some of my least favorite (if I NEVER have to use La Reine Mauve again it will be too soon; just sayin'...).  I probably have more Noodler's inks, between bottles and samples than anything else (although they run neck and neck with Diamine -- and De Atramentis and KWZI are gaining).

Ruth Morrisson inkstainedruth

 

Hi Ruth, dilute your LRM 50% (yes, 50%) with denatured water and try it again.  It turns from an almost black ink to one where the purple pops out, and the ink behaves perfectly: no clogging, feathering or bleeding on most papers.  I currently have it loaded in a Jinhao X750 and Lamy Studio M, both working well, and enjoying the colour.

 

I've also done this dilution with Kung Te-cheng to turn it into a well-behaved ink, showing the blue-purple off to advantage.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 12:50

​My original post was not about Noodlers inks being "good or bad." It was, rather, that I don't see -- read --- as much about Noodlers ink these days than in the past. C. S. 



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 12:51

 

Hi Ruth, dilute your LRM 50% (yes, 50%) with denatured water and try it again.  It turns from an almost black ink to one where the purple pops out, and the ink behaves perfectly: no clogging, feathering or bleeding on most papers.  I currently have it loaded in a Jinhao X750 and Lamy Studio M, both working well, and enjoying the colour.

 

I've also done this dilution with Kung Te-cheng to turn it into a well-behaved ink, showing the blue-purple off to advantage.

 


Agreed! I dilute mine 50% with blue ghost and then a tad bit of water and it's a lovely light purple with great properties. If i don't add the water it's just a tiny bit lighter LRM with no issues minus i bit of nib creep. I don't think i get much nib creep when i add water to my 50/50 dilution. And really makes that bottle stretch a LONG ways! :D 



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 18:24



 

Hi Ruth, dilute your LRM 50% (yes, 50%) with denatured water and try it again.  It turns from an almost black ink to one where the purple pops out, and the ink behaves perfectly: no clogging, feathering or bleeding on most papers.  I currently have it loaded in a Jinhao X750 and Lamy Studio M, both working well, and enjoying the colour.

 

I've also done this dilution with Kung Te-cheng to turn it into a well-behaved ink, showing the blue-purple off to advantage.

 

The color wasn't the issue with La Reine Mauve.  It was very aptly named -- DEFINITELY mauve (at least the sample I had of it was).  I just hated the behavior: "nib creep, section creep, how the [expletive deleted] did I get this on the heel of my hand creep...".  :angry: 

As for KTC, when I refill with distilled water I lose all the blue and the ink just becomes a medium purple.  I don't need another medium purple ink.  What I WANT is that gorgeous deep indigo with the purple undertones in an ink that isn't cloggy or has nib creep to the point of cloggy....  :wallbash: And still keep the waterproof/UV proof/everything proof....  

Yeah, I know, I don't want much, do I? B)  [I can't believe the quote *isn't* on IMDB but I'll try to recall it as best as I can: "I want new boots, and some toys -- a particle accelerator, a 3D printer... and a pony...."]

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 20:54

​My original post was not about Noodlers inks being "good or bad." It was, rather, that I don't see -- read --- as much about Noodlers ink these days than in the past. C. S. 


But you have been around long enough Charles to know how this sometimes goes.... especially with Noodler's or a few others. It starts out on topic, then wavers - no takes a U tun into something completely different.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 21:00

This is not a particularly busy forum to have continuous and even coverage of every brand.  People come to post about their latest ink purchase or interest, which can vary widely.



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Posted 09 December 2017 - 01:44



 

The color wasn't the issue with La Reine Mauve.  It was very aptly named -- DEFINITELY mauve (at least the sample I had of it was).  I just hated the behavior: "nib creep, section creep, how the [expletive deleted] did I get this on the heel of my hand creep...".  :angry: 

As for KTC, when I refill with distilled water I lose all the blue and the ink just becomes a medium purple.  I don't need another medium purple ink.  What I WANT is that gorgeous deep indigo with the purple undertones in an ink that isn't cloggy or has nib creep to the point of cloggy....  :wallbash: And still keep the waterproof/UV proof/everything proof....  

Yeah, I know, I don't want much, do I? B)  [I can't believe the quote *isn't* on IMDB but I'll try to recall it as best as I can: "I want new boots, and some toys -- a particle accelerator, a 3D printer... and a pony...."]

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Understood.  The behaviour of LRM really does improve with dilution though.  Maybe a lesser %age of water?

 

Strange that you lose the blue with KTC: mine is most decidedly blue with a hint of purple when diluted, rather than purple with a hint of blue.  Another of Nathan's famous batch issues perhaps.  I bought my bottle very soon after KTC was released.


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 03:23

This is not a particularly busy forum to have continuous and even coverage of every brand.  People come to post about their latest ink purchase or interest, which can vary widely.

 

 

And from what I take it that's kind of been the approach to Noodler's inks:  Not if it's good or bad any more, but discussing what inks work for you and how, as well as any experiences that stand out.

 

Heck I have a sample of Kung Te-cheng I haven't tried out due to the reputation that is about to be inked thanks to the input here!


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 04:12

 

 

And from what I take it that's kind of been the approach to Noodler's inks:  Not if it's good or bad any more, but discussing what inks work for you and how, as well as any experiences that stand out.

 

Heck I have a sample of Kung Te-cheng I haven't tried out due to the reputation that is about to be inked thanks to the input here!

 

I avoided KTC at first, too.  Then I read how Amber Lea Davis's family used it to mark plant labels in the nursery they run....  So I gave it a shot.

I keep looking for an ink that gives me that color and permanence.  I get the permanence -- but I've never found an ink yet that matches the color.  Sailor Shigure is too purple; Akkerman Dutch Masters Ruisdael's Stormachtig Blauw is too blue, Kyoto Tag Soft Snows of Ohara doesn't quite cut it....

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 05:55

 

I avoided KTC at first, too.  Then I read how Amber Lea Davis's family used it to mark plant labels in the nursery they run....  So I gave it a shot.

I keep looking for an ink that gives me that color and permanence.  I get the permanence -- but I've never found an ink yet that matches the color.  Sailor Shigure is too purple; Akkerman Dutch Masters Ruisdael's Stormachtig Blauw is too blue, Kyoto Tag Soft Snows of Ohara doesn't quite cut it....

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I agree, Shigure is lovely and in my Lamy Safari now, and though I love the quality characteristics of Shigure and how it makes my Safari write like a dream, the color doesn't impress me like KTC.  Diamine Lilac Night is kind of close, but not really, is kind of anemic comparatively IMO, and lacks the permanence.

 

KTC has a lovely saturation and dark bold color without going black and losing the color, but yet is still quite vibrant without being vivid.

 

KTC didn't work as well in my typcial Jinhao x750-Goulet nib combo so I christened my Charlie pen with it and I quickly loved the ink and now this pen combination since it is writing quite pleasurably.  

 

This is an ink that makes me want to find a pen that works with it.  Definitely something with an Ebonite Feed would do it justice for me.

 

 

Like my Baystate Blue, which is in a Jinhao-Jowo combo, I may not put KTC in the most expensive pen, but I'll find one that works with it and feels good.

 

I'm very happy right now :happy: .  It's very nice to find a new favorite ink in a great pen combo.  If this keeps up I'll buy a bottle : )


Edited by IndigoBOB, 09 December 2017 - 06:04.

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 01:12

My experiences with Noodler's have been mixed. I tried 54th Massachusetts because of all the fawning everyone did over it (this was like 4 years ago). I don't know how to describe it, but some of his permanent inks are "sooty." They leave behind a black residue. And in swabs, the black separates out. 54th is like that, and I find it pretty unappealing. But Air Corps Blue Black is one of my all-time favorite inks. I've used it in a number of pens and it's gorgeous and well behaved.

 

Ottoman Azure is another one I absolutely love (and mine isn't teal at all, but a bright, happy blue). But then I have this bottle of Sequoia Green that's like tar. It takes over a week to dry on Tomoe River paper and looks black. It's kind of gross.

 

But I've never had a Noodler's ink damage a pen, destroy a feed, or steal my lunch money. I don't really use vintage pens, so I can't comment on its use with sacs. So far in my experience, Noodler's inks seem pretty safe.

 

Maybe we don't hear so much about Noodler's any more because with the recent ascent & fame of Robert Oster, KWZ, and Organics Studio, the idea of a "dude in his kitchen cooking up ink" isn't such a rarity like it was when Nathan started. It's kind of an everyday thing now.



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Posted 10 December 2017 - 01:23

Maybe we don't hear so much about Noodler's any more because with the recent ascent & fame of Robert Oster, KWZ, and Organics Studio, the idea of a "dude in his kitchen cooking up ink" isn't such a rarity like it was when Nathan started. It's kind of an everyday thing now.

 

 

Bah hahahahahaha the imagery for this had me cracking up envisioning an einstine of fountain pen inks laboring over an old farm sink....but I agree. With so many small ink companies coming up it's become a norm as well. though that seems to be something all over the US. A lot of people choosing small "mom and pop" shops over the bigger companies. 



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Posted 10 December 2017 - 02:38

I think thats two of the reasons I like him. He truly pushes the envelope, so to speak. sometimes to great enough effect that other companies begin to follow. Without him i doubt we would have any permeant inks. And I know he really seems to grab onto odd ball ideas and run with them. Would pilot and sailor have come out with a "soft" nib if Noodlers hadn't come out with the flex pens and shown the craze for them....and possibly sparked a huge interest. 
He very much seems to fill a niche and make other companies realize that sticking to "tried and true" isn't always good business. To bring in 'younger' crowds to keep the market alive you gotta keep it affordable and interesting. I think he's done both. 
I also love his filled to the brim bottles. I feel i'm getting even more then i paid for that way. I can't believe some people actually complain the bottles are filled so full! I wish the chip companies would take notice lol.  All my normal every day inks are noodlers so maybe I'm super biased. They were my first ink and I've had a hard time finding others, other then J. Herbin, that I've enjoyed as much.

Soft nibs were present for a number of years before Noodlers started making pens, Pilots Falcon nib was one of the more popular/afforbable nibs worldwide before the Indian flexible nibs became more known, such as seen in the Noodlers pens. What these Indian nibs did (FPR also sells them), was provide cheaper flexible nibs for the masses to experience a spring like feel to their writing, though still not similar to that found in Japanese pens such as Nakaya/Platinum, Pilot, and Sailor. In Japan, the need for a more brush like nib allows them to more easily form the characters in their writing. They were present in the Asian markets broadly for awhile, and through specific distributers (nibs.com for Nakaya in the US) for at least a decade.

Also, soft nibs arent made to provide significant line variation as many who are seeking flexible nibs appear to want, they were meant to provide an ease of a line stroke which could also produce slight variation of the line, but even if they may take it for awhile, they arent made to flex under pressure.

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 02:40

 

 

Bah hahahahahaha the imagery for this had me cracking up envisioning an einstine of fountain pen inks laboring over an old farm sink....but I agree. With so many small ink companies coming up it's become a norm as well. though that seems to be something all over the US. A lot of people choosing small "mom and pop" shops over the bigger companies. 

 

True. And for me personally, there's also the human aspect to it. I've had a few email conversations with Robert Oster, and I've had several email conversations and a skype call with Agnieszka from KWZ. I've found both of them to be very sweet, very hardworking people. They're doing what they do because they love it. Plus, our hobby is all about using old, analog tools to write things down by hand...I think it's only fitting that we'd gravitate toward people who make ink by hand. There's just something nostalgic and romantic about it.



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Posted 10 December 2017 - 03:16

I like the labels on Noodlers bottles.

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