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#21 Poetman

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 16:13

Thanks for these replies. If in increase my budget a bit could I welcome a considerably better fp?

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 16:24

All the fountain pens mentioned are very decent pens, so the most significance increasing your budget would do, is allow you to find more pens that meet your requirement for shape, and filling system, though outside of Montblanc and some vintage Pelikans, you may still find mass produced piston filling cigar shaped pens to not be very numerous. 


Edited by JakobS, 06 December 2017 - 16:26.

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 17:18

I would say Montblanc 146 or Sailor Realo. Both will take a while to find a used one uder $200 but there are just not a lot of cigar shaped piston filling pens in my mind.

With a $250 budget, I think you can find a used 146 pretty easily or even buy a new Realo.

Edited by woleizihan, 06 December 2017 - 17:20.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:05

All the fountain pens mentioned are very decent pens, so the most significance increasing your budget would do, is allow you to find more pens that meet your requirement for shape, and filling system, though outside of Montblanc and some vintage Pelikans, you may still find mass produced piston filling cigar shaped pens to not be very numerous. 


Why not numerous? Are piston fill pens usually square shaped not rounded? Werent pens usually some version of a piston fill system ( or something similar) where the body held the ink not a converter?

Edited by Poetman, 07 December 2017 - 03:06.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:21

Why not numerous? Are piston fill pens usually square shaped not rounded? Werent pens usually some version of a piston fill system ( or something similar) where the body held the ink not a converter?


Is that what you mean cigar shaped and piston fill?

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:56

Why not numerous? Are piston fill pens usually square shaped not rounded? Werent pens usually some version of a piston fill system ( or something similar) where the body held the ink not a converter?


Most modern cigar shaped pens are cartridge/converter filling pens it appears. The cigar shape is predominantly found in Asian pens these days, and piston fillers have never been a significant filling system for Japanese, and Chinese pen manufacturers. Though various attempts at piston filler fountain pens were made since the mid-19th century, they werent perfected until the 1920s and commercialized by Pelikan and then Montblanc and a number of other European brands. As far as U.S. made, the Conklin Novac was the only successful commercial piston fill line. Pelikan for a number of decades and Montblanc until modern day made a number of models in a cigar shape, but otherwise diverged into a great many shapes, some may have a cigar shaped body, but not cap, or vis versa, and not truly a cigar shape. The most dominant filling system in vintage fountain pens was most likely eyedroppers, followed by lever fillers, or a filling system utilizing a latex sac.

Edited by JakobS, 07 December 2017 - 23:17.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:55

In terms of modern pens I imagine most were picturing the Lamy 2000 until you mentioned screw cap.

 

I can see why you asked.  It's a good question I don't have an answer for.  A gap in the fountain pen world.



#28 Poetman

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 02:16

Do most fp users use cartridge/converters?

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 03:17

For a daily carry I prefer a cartridge converter or Piston Filler.  Most of my EDC pens are C/C's, but that's because Piston Fillers are usually more expensive pens.

 

For my personal home use I like my Eyedroppers with ebonite feeds since they're juicy writers.



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 22:37

The pen described in my OP has long been an ideal of mine, brought on by my early imagine of a Montblanc fp (even though I was ignorant about the name). The cigar shape is one I really like.

Are there particularly nice CC style pens that fill the original criteria? (a snap cap would be fine with a CC).

Any others besides Montblanc and Sailor that fit the original criteria? Could I find a used Montblanc or Sailor for around $200?

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 22:55

A Large 146 depending on era...70-80's will be regular flex (have one I lucked out in an empty live auction for E150....I was not going to even think of it...In I seldom buy Large pens, but  with no bidding, ended up with it....in it was almost mint.).....after the '80's would be the normal 'Springy' nib, nice tine bend but only 2 X tine spread.

I like semi-flex...and find the '50-70 medium large 146 to have better balance....but the nib is not for you.

I don't know about Sailor but think the cigar shaped 146 might be more than $200. Do look in your Ebay's past auctions.

 

Look for Senator... President pens...comes in a couple  price levels.....is MB 149 similar but cartridge....would be the nail you are looking for. Check past auctions on German Ebay. 


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Posted 19 December 2017 - 02:32

I have an M200, which I love, but it's a bit light for my taste. I want something a bit heavier. 

How about an M215? Besides the M640 (some of the other Pelikan aficionados will surely correct me with some other heavier birds) you'd have to jump to a M800 to get a more weighty Pelikan.

I dug these figures off Pelikan's Perch & Goulet. Not sure if that M400 weight makes sense.

M215 = 0.74 oz

M200 = 0.49 oz
M400 = 0.53 oz
M600 = 0.63 oz
M800 = 0.99 oz

A Lamy 2000 also offers more heft, and it's a great pen, but a much different aesthetic and feel. And it's not a screw-ob type cap.

Edited by Mister5, 19 December 2017 - 02:49.

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