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Swan Eternal Numbering Variants


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#1 Greenie

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 01:56

The typical Eternals are 44, 46, 48

I have also seen E444 (which I suppose could include larger 644 or 844)

 

Listed here on ebay is one labeled "SF E644" that otherwise appears to be a black Eternal 46 lever filler.

 

Maybe someone with a better knowledge of MT history can fill us in of the different Eternal numbering.

 

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 02:22

American numbering is 44, 46, and 48, with short versions 54, 56, and 58 (the last of which might not exist from American MT. Americans did not follow with a /## for color.

British numbering was 444, 644, and 844 for full size, 444b, 644b, and 844b for vest pocket size. I think the British Eternal are considerably more rare than the American Eternals. The British numbering should have the /## to denote color.

Did the British do eternal ringtops?

I think the British used 44, 46, and 48 very early (24-26) in the Eternal lifespan, but I’m not sure if they were imports or British manufacture.

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 03:00

I found the SF in front of the E644 to be unusual.  



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Posted 18 November 2017 - 03:24

SF = Self-filler -MT’s name for a lever filler.

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 13:22

Nothing to add really but here's an ebay listing of a SF E444 "Made in England" but with an American nib.

 

Aside from this I have owned only one Eternal; this was a clipless model with no model number stamped on it.  It was made of BHR and had a curious domed finial that appears to have been quite uncommon.

 

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This pen was marked Made in england and had an English Eternal nib.

 

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Edited by Cob, 18 November 2017 - 13:22.

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 16:24

SF = Self-filler -MT’s name for a lever filler.

 

Well I understand that!  But I found it odd that there was an SF attached to the Eternal numbering.  

 

Cob's posting is interesting, because that pen has the bands of an Eternal, and the woodgrain top of an SF 130/230.  That pen deserved the SF and Eternal labeling!  





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