Color Like 'nightshade'

[Bill Wood]

Nightshade by Noodlers must have changed the recipe a bit. It's usually a brown burgundy. Interesting color but now I'm trying to duplicate it. The present Nighshade is more brown than anything else.

 

I've tried adding Purple Heart to Nightshade and get more of a purple. What could I add to a basic brown to produce a brown burgundy. It's a challenge but I'm up to making mistakes.

 

Thanks all.

 

-Bill-

[Chrissy]

It's much easier to make burgundy using Richard Binder's Binder Burgundy recipe using a 50/50 mix of Waterman Purple and Skrip Red.

 

Diamine also made it and called it Syrah.

[Bill Wood]

It's much easier to make burgundy using Richard Binder's Binder Burgundy recipe using a 50/50 mix of Waterman Purple and Skrip Red.

 

Diamine also made it and called it Syrah.

Thanks Chrissy. I may try that. I think I need a little Brown in there somewhere.

[gregamckinney]

If you end up buying new ink instead of mixing your own, you may want to check out Robert Oster's Dark Chocolate. To my eye, it is a brownish purple. Just got a sample today, and was pleasantly surprised how purple the "chocolate" was.

Best Regards, greg

[eyesa]

Oh dear, I'm also a fan of Noodler's Nightshade, so I am sorry to hear it's been altered.

But I wanted a waterproof version, so set out to make my own.

What approximated the color and proved highly waterproof was:

 

(All Noodler's inks)

1 ML of BSAR

1 ML of #41 Brown

8 drops Bulletproof Black

6 drops Kung Te Cheng

 

I found the KTC gave the added purple to the mix.

 

If you're up to experimentation and don't want or need a waterproof version, I'm sure you could find equivalent Noodler's colors.

 

I find the Goulet swab shop an excellent resource when trying to compare colors side by side.

https://www.gouletpens.com/ink-comparison-tool

Hope this helps in some way.

Cheers,

eyesa

Edited November 12, 2017 by eyesa

[inkstainedruth]

The problem is that the Noodler's inks are often slightly different from batch to batch. A few are radically different, when Nathan Tardif can't get the component dyes, but even then there are differences.

My sample of 54th Massachusetts was a very dark teal-blue. But when I got a full bottle, it was lighter and bluer. And several years ago he reformulated Army Green to be a more middle of the road color, but he had so many complaints he changed it back, bowing to customer preferences. Apparently I was one of the few people who liked the reformulated color (so I keep hoping that when my bottle runs out he will have reissued the ink under a different name...).

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[Astroix]

Nightshade was my first ink. I wonder what adding a red-violet/burgundy hue, as opposed to true purple, to dark brown does to the color temperature. Dont have the inks to do it myself. Thoughts?

Edited November 17, 2017 by Astroix

[Drawing61]

Dear eyesa,

 

Thanks for the recipe. I tried it and love the color. Very close to nightshade. I have lots left over after my project so I'm going to experiment and tweak and if anything interesting happens will of course share.

[Bill Wood]

Nightshade was my first ink. I wonder what adding a red-violet/burgundy hue, as opposed to true purple, to dark brown does to the color temperature. Dont have the inks to do it myself. Thoughts?

Well. I had some DA sepia and added a little Kobe Maroon. I know, expensive, but a little maroon goes a long way. That wasn't too bad. The best I could do was take the present nightshade which is closer to walnut, and mixed with Purple Heart. That worked pretty well. The old nightshade is close to DA ebony. I might try another bottle of nightshade to see if it's gone back to the old batch. Shame. He had a winner there. I was offered another bottle but declined a few months ago.

[Bill Wood]

Oh dear, I'm also a fan of Noodler's Nightshade, so I am sorry to hear it's been altered.But I wanted a waterproof version, so set out to make my own.What approximated the color and proved highly waterproof was:(All Noodler's inks)1 ML of BSAR1 ML of #41 Brown8 drops Bulletproof Black6 drops Kung Te ChengI found the KTC gave the added purple to the mix.If you're up to experimentation and don't want or need a waterproof version, I'm sure you could find equivalent Noodler's colors.I find the Goulet swab shop an excellent resource when trying to compare colors side by side.https://www.gouletpens.com/ink-comparison-toolHope this helps in some way.Cheers,eyesa

Thanks Eyesa. What does BSAR stand for?

[DasKaltblut]

BSAR = Black Swan in Australian Roses

[Bill Wood]

Nightshade was my first ink. I wonder what adding a red-violet/burgundy hue, as opposed to true purple, to dark brown does to the color temperature. Dont have the inks to do it myself. Thoughts?

Astroix - I found some Maroon which is on the red side - so i'm going to give that a whirl. Thanks for the suggestion. Failing all that I think Eyesa's recipe might be well worth exploring.

 

ps -- just got in another new bottle of Nightshade and it's same as the last. Almost a pecan brown. no purple, no burgundy. Any swab or picture I've seen does not reflect what the ink is now.

[Bill Wood]

If you end up buying new ink instead of mixing your own, you may want to check out Robert Oster's Dark Chocolate. To my eye, it is a brownish purple. Just got a sample today, and was pleasantly surprised how purple the "chocolate" was.

Best Regards, greg

Correct Greg. I'm going to try that one. There is purple in that recipe for sure.

[amberleadavis]

Sounds like you have some stuff to try (I love the mix above). Have you looked at Aubergine from De Atramentis?

[Bill Wood]

Sounds like you have some stuff to try (I love the mix above). Have you looked at Aubergine from De Atramentis?

Thanks Amber - that's a good thought. Aubergine is a great purple that might be used in the recipe. Perhaps replacing BSAS - then a little black, a dash of brown and so forth. If you actually see the swab of Nightside on all sites theres a burgundy component that is not there in the present recipe. Thanks again.

 

Maybe if we keep this thread hot - Nathan will take a look at his recipe and bring it back to the color it should be.

Edited December 20, 2017 by Bill Wood

[amberleadavis]

Last year I finally got around to using a bunch of my samples and an old sample of Nightshade as included. I've had it on my to buy list, but now I'm glad I waited.

[Bill Wood]

Last year I finally got around to using a bunch of my samples and an old sample of Nightshade as included. I've had it on my to buy list, but now I'm glad I waited.

I ordered everything I need for eyesa's recipe - I'll let you know how it works out Amber.

[amberleadavis]

I look forward to seeing the results.

[Bill Wood]

Oh dear, I'm also a fan of Noodler's Nightshade, so I am sorry to hear it's been altered.But I wanted a waterproof version, so set out to make my own.What approximated the color and proved highly waterproof was:(All Noodler's inks)1 ML of BSAR1 ML of #41 Brown8 drops Bulletproof Black6 drops Kung Te ChengI found the KTC gave the added purple to the mix.If you're up to experimentation and don't want or need a waterproof version, I'm sure you could find equivalent Noodler's colors.I find the Goulet swab shop an excellent resource when trying to compare colors side by side.https://www.gouletpens.com/ink-comparison-toolHope this helps in some way.Cheers,eyesa

Must Thank You for that Christmas present Eyesa. Your recipe is bang on. One question, how did you figure out where to start?

[Bill Wood]

I look forward to seeing the results.

Eyesa's recipe is terrific Amber. That's the one. Whipped some up today.

 

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