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Guide To Imperial Desk Pens?


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#1 Tweel

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 21:25

Hi,

 

I wonder whether anyone knows of a guide to, or catalog of, Imperial or Imperial-style desk pens -- model numbers (or names, if any) and dates.  I also wonder whether there's any correspondence between the desk and pocket pen models.

 

Thanks!


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Posted 06 November 2017 - 06:24

Desk pens are only black or brown.  The nib units should work on either desk pens or pocket pens.  Catalogs call them white dot cartridge desk pens for the long inlaid nib or cartridge desk pen for the dolphin nib in 1963.  in '61 they are cartridge desk pen (arrowpoint) A11CD20X - black ABCD20X - brown or DeLuxe white dot cartridge desk pen (arrowpoint) A11CD21 - black ABCD21 - brown or "imperial" white dot desk pen - long inlaid nib which is a touchdown model A11SD17 - black ABSD17 - brown.  Touchdown shown in 1967 ad.

 

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 00:14

Desk pens are only black or brown.  The nib units should work on either desk pens or pocket pens.  Catalogs call them white dot cartridge desk pens for the long inlaid nib or cartridge desk pen for the dolphin nib in 1963.  in '61 they are cartridge desk pen (arrowpoint) A11CD20X - black ABCD20X - brown or DeLuxe white dot cartridge desk pen (arrowpoint) A11CD21 - black ABCD21 - brown or "imperial" white dot desk pen - long inlaid nib which is a touchdown model A11SD17 - black ABSD17 - brown.  Touchdown shown in 1967 ad.

 

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Thank you.  I'm not sure where my desk pen fits in: it's early, white dot, c/c, black, and has an inlaid nib.  Here's the set in question:

 

Black glass base, black plastic trumpet with an angled top and gold (filled? plated?) band --

 

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Circa 1960-63 --

 

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White dot --

 

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Long inlaid nib --

 

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Squared base on the trumpet, echoing the PFMs and Imperials --

 

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Cartridge/converter --

 

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The clamshell case, with an inlaid-nib logo outside and in --

 

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Unfortunately, there's nothing in the instruction sheet or elsewhere indicating a model or date.  This has been a daily-use pen for the last 5 years or so -- I'm just wondering what I'm using!

 

(BTW, I don't think the section would work on a pocket pen.  It lacks the clutch tabs to hold on a cap)


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 05:05

Right you are no lugs.  Probably essentially the same with a key difference.  The base I can help with - it is a J06 originally $15 in 1963.

 

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 16:24

J06 -- thank you, Roger, for the datum!


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Posted 24 November 2017 - 19:46

I offer this lugged Canadian object just because I love keeps Sheaffer's "you'll never pin us down completely" ball rolling:

 

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It's a Sheaffer's rather than a Sheaffer (for rough dating), and the lugs lock in nicely to the socket which it the same as above, externally.  And it's a TD rather than a C/C.


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Posted 26 November 2017 - 16:12

I got these four from a antique store. All four are touchdown. Two of these are chalkmarked. What model these are?

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