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#1 Waltz For Zizi

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 14:01

I have a Lamy 2000 with a BB nib aquired some time ago, but couldn't quite get used to it, or more corectly there are no situations that require such a broad line. It's like writing with a brush. The pen was part of a bunch I got for a very nice price, but apart from trying it I have no ideea what is the purpose of such a broad nib. At work, definitely not, journaling also not. Even on very nice paper which tames Medium-wet nibs, this nib is extremely broad for my taste at least. It's like 4 times the line width of a medium.
So my question is, where and how do you "broad loving people" use this kind of nibs? I love the 2000, and it would be a shame to sell it, but I'm trying to understand how I can use such a broad nib.

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 15:11

No need to sell, I am pretty sure you can switch the nib.   ;)

 

 

And we "Broad Loving People".. use BB and BBB all the time.. .in our daily writing, journaling, sketching... .doodling.. etc.  The same way other use fine and mediums.   Is just a matter of taste.... I LOVE BROADS....  especially WET BROADS !!!..  :lol:  :lol:

 

 

 

List the pen in the Classifieds... see if someone would like to switch a Lamy 2000 - BB for a Medium.  

 

 

Below are my EDC pens...   :wub:  :wub:    a BB, OBB and a BB...   :D

 

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I have a Lamy 2000 with a BB nib aquired some time ago, but couldn't quite get used to it, or more corectly there are no situations that require such a broad line. It's like writing with a brush. The pen was part of a bunch I got for a very nice price, but apart from trying it I have no ideea what is the purpose of such a broad nib. At work, definitely not, journaling also not. Even on very nice paper which tames Medium-wet nibs, this nib is extremely broad for my taste at least. It's like 4 times the line width of a medium.
So my question is, where and how do you "broad loving people" use this kind of nibs? I love the 2000, and it would be a shame to sell it, but I'm trying to understand how I can use such a broad nib.


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#3 LanceSaintPaul

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 16:12

Where can one find a separate nib? It seems to me that by the time & expense of finding a separate nib for the 2000 I'd be better off just buying another 2000 and keeping the first. Selling the first makes sense, but is more of a hassle, practically speaking.

 

If there are other, better ways I'd like to hear about them. Of course a swap by Lamy if nearly gratis (small fee) would work, but that's not necessarily available or is it? In warranty period?



#4 Waltz For Zizi

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 16:19

Where can one find a separate nib? It seems to me that by the time & expense of finding a separate nib for the 2000 I'd be better off just buying another 2000 and keeping the first. Selling the first makes sense, but is more of a hassle, practically speaking.
 
If there are other, better ways I'd like to hear about them. Of course a swap by Lamy if nearly gratis (small fee) would work, but that's not necessarily available or is it? In warranty period?


Not a waranted pen. I bought it without box or papers.
A separate nib is about 40% of the price of a new pen, but I have another Lamy 2000 with F nib, so it's not like I'll be selling my only lamy, but it's sooo ergonomic.

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 16:23

No need to sell, I am pretty sure you can switch the nib.   ;)
 
 
And we "Broad Loving People".. use BB and BBB all the time.. .in our daily writing, journaling, sketching... .doodling.. etc.  The same way other use fine and mediums.   Is just a matter of taste.... I LOVE BROADS....  especially WET BROADS !!!..  :lol:  :lol:
 
 
 
List the pen in the Classifieds... see if someone would like to switch a Lamy 2000 - BB for a Medium.  
 
 
Below are my EDC pens...   :wub:  :wub:    a BB, OBB and a BB...   :D
 
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Posting this I thought that maybe you could teach me how to love broader nibs :)

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 16:46

There are free templates that allow you to make wider lines, so you e is not cramped.

Works just fine for journaling.....and a modern BB is a signature pen.

In your journal...'I wonder what this ink looks like with a wide nib......and it will be lots different than a skinny F.

It encourages expressionism that might stay in the F box otherwise.  ;) 

 

Do you have a M nib?

Or a B nib?

 

Perhaps the BB was one giant step too much. It's easier to use if one's worked one's way up to it.

So buy a B nib. :D


German vintage '50-70 semi-flex stubs and those in oblique give the real thing in On Demand line variation. Modern Oblique is a waste of money for a shadow of line variation. Being too lazy to Hunt for affordable vintage oblique pens, lets you 'hunt' for line variation instead of having it.

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#7 Waltz For Zizi

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 16:57

There are free templates that allow you to make wider lines, so you e is not cramped.
Works just fine for journaling.....and a modern BB is a signature pen.
In your journal...'I wonder what this ink looks like with a wide nib......and it will be lots different than a skinny F.
It encourages expressionism that might stay in the F box otherwise.  ;) 
 
Do you have a M nib?
Or a B nib?
 
Perhaps the BB was one giant step too much. It's easier to use if one's worked one's way up to it.
So buy a B nib. :D


I have one pelikan m200 with a steel B nib, which is like a M in most gold nibbed pens I own. And I really like that B, but it's about my limit. Anyway I didn't buy this pen for the nib. It was sold in a bundle with other three dialog3 pens, and among them was the piano white, which was my aim from the beginning, and not sold separately, that's why I own such a broad nib. In day to day life I would never buy it by itself with this nib.

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 17:04

Not a waranted pen. I bought it without box or papers.
A separate nib is about 40% of the price of a new pen, but I have another Lamy 2000 with F nib, so it's not like I'll be selling my only lamy, but it's sooo ergonomic.

 

Nice you have that other one. I think BB nibs for them are pretty rare - I wonder if they are even offered any more? I'd be inclined to keep it just for that. But that's me.

 

So much of the answers to this depend on where in the world one is. For instance as of now the USA Lamy site does not even offer the 2000 in Makrolon. But I know where I can find one new for US $110. When deals like that are found it makes more sense for me to simply purchase another. (Joke is on me - I thought maybe I should just buy one @ $110 right now, but price has re-risen to $140. I'll wait & see what it does next.)

 

Your mileage will vary. Good luck. Yes this design has only made me appreciate it more the longer I've used it.


Edited by LanceSaintPaul, 26 October 2017 - 17:09.


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Posted 26 October 2017 - 17:09

Nice you have that other one. I think BB nibs for them are pretty rare - I wonder if they are even offered any more? I'd be inclined to keep it just for that. But that's me.
 
So much of the answers to this depend on where in the world one is. For instance as of now the USA Lamy site does not even offer the 2000 in Makrolon. But I know where I can find one new for US $110. When deals like that are found it makes more sense for me to simply purchase another.
 
Your mileage will vary. Good luck. Yes this design has only made me appreciate it more the longer I've used it.


Thank you. Where I'm from a nib is 75$, and they have them even in OM,OB,and OBB. So I thought it's not so rare.

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 17:12

Thank you. Where I'm from a nib is 75$, and they have them even in OM,OB,and OBB. So I thought it's not so rare.

 

Well that changes the equation for you. And it would for me if I were there.



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Posted 26 October 2017 - 17:22

So my question is, where and how do you "broad loving people" use this kind of nibs?

I love them for wet, smooth, oily writing. However I use my B (I don't have a BB) nib only on A4 size paper, it seems out of place and disproportionate on smaller pages.



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Posted 26 October 2017 - 18:49

A 200's nib ('87?-now) is semi-vintage '97-82 or vintage '65-50 wide, and the nibs back then were and are 1/2 to a full size narrower than modern....especially modern German. So the 200's B=M is right.

 

I do have to admit most of my B and OB and OBB  nibs are vintage and narrower than modern....in fact a Pelikan OB is like a fat M and a good writing nib...not a signature nib like many modern nibs.

 

I made a mistake when I swapped in an MB M that wrote to that on good paper...in the B&M it had written to a B that I'd wanted on poorer paper. The B I got as replacement was on the fat side of the tolerance so the B=BB.  One does use much more paper with it.....it is of course as butter smooth as you can want and the nib is slightly stubbish.

 

If you are going to get the nib ground smaller look to get it in stub at the same time....

 

Waltz for Zizi....those modern obliques don't really give any line variation. (good for left eye dominance where one cant's the nib because of that and left handers) They are nails. I had a 18K OB nail Lamy Persona that sat in the box...under the bed even, in there was no line variation at all. Pendelton Brown made a very nice CI out of it sort of a fat M. I also had a Lamy 99 nail OM....nothing at all.

For any real line variation, the German companies with some flex for oblique is the only way to fly.

Soennecken, MB, Pelikan, Kaweco, Geha , Osmia and a few others that made semi-flex nibs. I have some 13.... :drool: :puddle: :thumbup: from OBB, OB, OM and OF........I decided not to chase an OEF in it would IMO be too narrow for shading inks.


German vintage '50-70 semi-flex stubs and those in oblique give the real thing in On Demand line variation. Modern Oblique is a waste of money for a shadow of line variation. Being too lazy to Hunt for affordable vintage oblique pens, lets you 'hunt' for line variation instead of having it.

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 20:02

Another option would be to have the nib ground down to a smaller size.



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Posted 26 October 2017 - 20:10

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I agree with the sentiment, but that Bexley should have the stub nib. ;)

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 20:12

OP - I use very wide nibs as you would use a medium. I probably just write a little larger. Maybe play around on some blank paper to get a sense of writing larger without restrictions. You can also get more shading out of ink with wider nibs.

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 03:52

On any given day I will write with anything from F to B, OB and stub nibs. Right now I have 3 f's, m, m stub, b, b stub, OB and 1.1 stub inked. The m an b stubs are non factory grinds.

I use them all for correspondence, journal, notes etc. I have some EF nibs as well just not currently inked.

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 04:11

I have a Lamy 2000 with a BB nib aquired some time ago, but couldn't quite get used to it, or more corectly there are no situations that require such a broad line. It's like writing with a brush. The pen was part of a bunch I got for a very nice price, but apart from trying it I have no ideea what is the purpose of such a broad nib. At work, definitely not, journaling also not. Even on very nice paper which tames Medium-wet nibs, this nib is extremely broad for my taste at least. It's like 4 times the line width of a medium.
So my question is, where and how do you "broad loving people" use this kind of nibs? I love the 2000, and it would be a shame to sell it, but I'm trying to understand how I can use such a broad nib.

 

I feel like this is a trick question.

 

As time goes on, I want more ink to come out on the paper, faster.  I essentially want a marginally controlled fire hose.  I don't own any BB nibs, but I have a couple generous broad nibs and stubs - I love using them to take work notes or write my wife a love note or just scribble.  They're WAY fun for signatures too. 



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Posted 28 October 2017 - 03:54

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I feel like this is a trick question.
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As time goes on, I want more ink to come out on the paper, faster. àI essentially want a marginally controlled fire hose. àI don't own any BB nibs, but I have a couple generous broad nibs and stubs - I love using them to take work notes or write my wife a love note or just scribble. àThey're WAY fun for signatures too.à

I want to share your joy and in dire need for very wet and generous broads and stubs, may I ask what pens should I be looking at please?

Edited by minddance, 28 October 2017 - 03:56.


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Posted 28 October 2017 - 16:21

Perhaps the BB was one giant step too much. It's easier to use if one's worked one's way up to it.

So buy a B nib. :D

 

 

Like he said. I remember when I thought a medium stub was too wide and closed the loops on some of my writing, after getting used it them I no longer use F nibs. Now I am in to B's. You just have to work your way up and adjust. Also stub and CI nibs don't look as wide as round nibs of the same size and are easier for the transition. Just have fun with it and work your way up.



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Posted 28 October 2017 - 16:23

Posting this I thought that maybe you could teach me how to love broader nibs :)


Have a look at the OBBB threads in the Montblanc forum. We have writing samples, yummy pictures of big nibs in use, and cookies. Did I mention puppies?





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