Jump to content

Ink Like Robert Oster "fire And Ice" But With More Water Resistance?

Intensity

By Intensity
in Ink Comparisons

 Share

Recommended Posts

Intensity Collectors Item

Intensity

Posted
Posted (edited)

I don't really need the sheen portion of Robert Oster's "Fire and Ice", not that it shows up much anyway, but I LOVE the base color of it. It's my current favorite, along with "Diamine's Asa" Blue. Both are absolutely gorgeous glowing colors (I do not mean sheen, I mean they have a very bright and cheerful appearance), and I love using them together on the same page. Unlike "Asa Blue", which has quite reasonable amount of water resistance for not being labeled as water-resistasnt, R.O. "Fire and Ice" washes just about clean off the page almost immediately, if I put a [very thoroughly] dried sheet of writing under cool tap water. It's not that the page becomes blank, but the ink smears off enough for writing to become nearly illegible. I never get my writing wet on purpose, but still this kind of a complete vanishing act is concerning. I once had a flood in my apartment due to a burst pipe above and a lot of my notes got quite damp throughout.

 

I was extremely close to ordering a full bottle of "Fire and Ice", but now I have serious doubts if I should.

 

Has anyone who's used Oster's "Fire and Ice" also found another ink with the same base color and general intensity?

Edited by Intensity

“I admit it, I'm surprised that fountain pens are a hobby. ... it's a bit like stumbling into a fork convention - when you've used a fork all your life.” 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • Replies 7
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

  • Intensity

    4

  • amberleadavis

    3

  • Honeybadgers

    1

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Honeybadgers Donor Pen

Honeybadgers

Posted
Posted

There really aren't any inks like it to begin with.

 

closest analogue I can think of that still pulls off sheen is sailor yama-dori, which has -tolerable- waterfastness. It's legible after getting wet, but nothing will really be waterproof.

 

Yama dori is definitely more turquoise, but still has that heavy red sheen.

Selling a boatload of restored, fairly rare, vintage Japanese gold nib pens, click here to see (more added as I finish restoring them)

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Intensity Collectors Item

Intensity

Posted
  • Author
Posted

Thank you. It's not really the sheen I'm after but rather the base color. I think Yama Dori is more teal compared to R.O.'s Fire and Ice, which has more blue-turquoise in comparison and is quite light/bright in a cursive italic line.

“I admit it, I'm surprised that fountain pens are a hobby. ... it's a bit like stumbling into a fork convention - when you've used a fork all your life.” 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
amberleadavis Pen Dust

amberleadavis

Posted
Posted

If you have some in your ink collection, ADD Ghost Blue. It won't change the color of the ink, but it will improve water resistance. Remember to mix in small amounts in vials not the entire bottle.

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Intensity Collectors Item

Intensity

Posted
  • Author
Posted

If you have some in your ink collection, ADD Ghost Blue. It won't change the color of the ink, but it will improve water resistance. Remember to mix in small amounts in vials not the entire bottle.

That's a very interesting recommendation! I did not realize that Ghost Blue adds water resistance to other inks, I thought only the Ghost Blue itself was permanent.

“I admit it, I'm surprised that fountain pens are a hobby. ... it's a bit like stumbling into a fork convention - when you've used a fork all your life.” 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
amberleadavis Pen Dust

amberleadavis

Posted
Posted

Well, it's an off-label use. NT certainly doesn't recommend it, but I've been doing it for years.

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Intensity Collectors Item

Intensity

Posted
  • Author
Posted

Well, it's an off-label use. NT certainly doesn't recommend it, but I've been doing it for years.

I'm definitely going to try this mix with my favorite non-water-resistant inks!

 

I've also read about De Artamentis Dilution Liquid to increase ink flow/lubrication with other inks, not necessarily the Document Inks line.

“I admit it, I'm surprised that fountain pens are a hobby. ... it's a bit like stumbling into a fork convention - when you've used a fork all your life.” 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
amberleadavis Pen Dust

amberleadavis

Posted
Posted

My #8 ink that I use exclusively in my Pelikan Level pens is 25% DeA Document ink (I would have to go find the recipe). It is more than water resistant enough for my needs. I think the DeA Dok inks are good for mixing.

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Most Contributions

    1. amberleadavis
      amberleadavis
      43844
    2. PAKMAN
      PAKMAN
      33583
    3. Ghost Plane
      Ghost Plane
      28220
    4. inkstainedruth
      inkstainedruth
      26771
    5. jar
      jar
      26105

  • Upcoming Events

  • Blog Comments

    • Shanghai Knife Dude
      Links to web pages or articles about Chinese typesetting, signwriting, etc.

      By Shanghai Knife Dude · Posted

      I have the Sailor Naginata and some fancy blade nibs coming after 2022 by a number of new workshop from China.  With all my respect, IMHO, they are all (bleep) in doing chinese characters.  Go use a bush, or at least a bush pen. 
    • A Smug Dill
      Skeleton of a primer for a budding hobbyist

      By A Smug Dill · Posted

      It is the reason why I'm so keen on the idea of a personal library — of pens, nibs, inks, paper products, etc. — and spent so much money, as well as time and effort, to “build” it for myself (because I can't simply remember everything, especially as I'm getting older fast) and my wife, so that we can “know”; and, instead of just disposing of what displeased us, or even just not good enough to be “given the time of day” against competition from >500 other pens and >500 other inks for our at
    • adamselene
      Skeleton of a primer for a budding hobbyist

      By adamselene · Posted

      Agreed.  And I think it’s good to be aware of this early on and think about at the point of buying rather than rationalizing a purchase..
    • A Smug Dill
      Skeleton of a primer for a budding hobbyist

      By A Smug Dill · Posted

      Alas, one cannot know “good” without some idea of “bad” against which to contrast; and, as one of my former bosses (back when I was in my twenties) used to say, “on the scale of good to bad…”, it's a spectrum, not a dichotomy. Whereas subjectively acceptable (or tolerable) and unacceptable may well be a dichotomy to someone, and finding whether the threshold or cusp between them lies takes experiencing many degrees of less-than-ideal, especially if the decision is somehow influenced by factors o
    • adamselene
      Skeleton of a primer for a budding hobbyist

      By adamselene · Posted

      I got my first real fountain pen on my 60th birthday and many hundreds of pens later I’ve often thought of what I should’ve known in the beginning. I have many pens, the majority of which have some objectionable feature. If they are too delicate, or can’t be posted, or they are too precious to face losing , still they are users, but only in very limited environments..  I have a big disliking for pens that have the cap jump into the air and fly off. I object to Pens that dry out, or leave blobs o

  • Chatbox

    You don't have permission to chat.
    Load More

  • Files






×
×
  • Create New...