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Red Dip-Less Pen Body - What Base Would It Have Been In?


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#1 AAAndrew

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 14:28

Took a closer look at my pens sitting on the shelf and realized my red-bodied pen (looks like the same red plastic as a J pen) is actually a dipless desk pen rather than a fountain desk pen. It has a black taper. 

 

The only dipless bases I'm aware of are the 407 series (the ones with the metal clip) and the 444 series with the glass bases. (the "series" includes variations like the doubles 427 and 484)

 

Would this have gone in one of the red 444 bases? Or was there something else? 

 

I know with the fountain desk pens they had different colored bases (like the eight-ball) and pens to match. I never realized until now that possibly the colored 444 bases might also have had matching pens. I guess because all the Dip-less pens I see have black bodies and either clear, black or red tapers. This was the first colored-barrel Dip-less I've noticed. 

 

I have white, green, grey, black and red 444 bases. I've only ever seen a red Dip-less pen. Anyone seen any other colors? Would love a white one!


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 16:52

oooo

Picture please 


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 17:23

Ok. Here's the best I can do at work with my iPhone. 

 

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On the left are three Dip-less pens. From left to right:

1. On the left is the bog-standard one you see all the time. It just says "ESTERBROOK" around the top of the barrel. 

2. This is the red pen. It has an imprint along the barrel like regular J pens that says. Esterbrook DIP-LESS, Pat Pend Made in USA UNIVERSAL

3. The right-hand one is an older style Dip-less (1940's by the engraving for the "Air Force - US Army") and same imprint as #2 above. This is missing a ring between barrel and taper, like #5 below

 

4. In the center is a 177 desk holder in "green" with matching fountain pen that came in the set. Imprint like #6 below.

 

On the right are three fountain pens

5. On the left in black with solid red taper is the older style with the imprint "R. Esterbrook Co., Made in USA" along the barrel

6. The center one is the more standard. It has a shorter barrel and imprint "Esterbrook ®, Made in USA" along the barrel

7. On the right is a later model one that is just imprinted "ESTERBROOK" around the top of the barrel, like #1 above. It goes to a matching pastel blue "saucer" holder which I also have. 

 

I'm sure there are other types I don't have, but the one I had the question on was #2. It's a longer barrel Dip-less "Universal" and I'm wondering what kind of base it went into? 

 

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 18:24

Interesting.

It is like my lever filler desk pen, but without the lever and sac.

 

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 04:04

More pens to admire in someone else's collection.  I admire them.  Nice pens. 


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Posted 02 September 2017 - 20:02

I just looked in my Dipless box and saw that I have a green one.  :)

One down, five to go:  red, copper, blue, grey, black.


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Posted 23 September 2017 - 14:30

Well  here is a photo of the  Red Dripless base, as well as one in green     ( clear Pen

The also  evasive Green Vinyl cove4red Dripless Pen  base and the Original box

called a Feed-Matic Base  Desk Set  Model # 444  pt 2556  Green  $ 4.50   Retail

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 14:33

oops a few more photos

 

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 15:39

Oooh. I've never seen the leatherette covered one before!

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 05:53

The new pictures are gorgeous, thank you for sharing!
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Posted 03 November 2017 - 01:24

AAAndrew,

 

I have one in gray and one in red.  I believe the Universals went in the 407s (and possibly the 404s and 401s.  But the 407 is much more commonly found.  By the way, if its marked Universal, it will accept either the screw in 1xxx, 2xxx and 9xxx Nib units as well as the 5xxx series with the separate feed. 

 

Go to the Pen Collectors of America site. Go to the "Library" and then pull up the Easterbrook catalog of 1941.  Try the 1957 one also.  its a fantastic resource.  It also shows the colors of the 407 bases as well as the color of the pens  and their tapers.   

 

Knowing you're a dip pen fan like me, try the 1920sEsterbtook catalog too. The 1941 catalog has dip pens (nibs) listed too.








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