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I noticed in the thread on all the Pro Gear colors one of the LE model demonstrators had a spring loaded cap. You can see it in this picture.

I have looked at other demonstrators in the 1911 and Pro Gear line and the inner cap is attached to the end. Is this spring setup something they are working into production on all the newer ones or just REALO's or just in that LE? It seems like it would help keep the nibs from drying out like on a Platinum 3776.

 

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Yes, Sailor uses the slip & seal mechanism too, though for whatever reason they don't particularly advertise it. The only advertising is a small bit for their (1911) Promenade line, and even here the focus isn't too greatly on the s&s mechanism. The Promenade is the direct answer to Platinum's 3776 Century and is apparently a permanent feature of the KOP and the Realo. Maybe Sailor is allowed by Platinum to use the mechanism as long as they don't advertise it as their selling point, like Platinum does. I wonder if & when Pilot will introduce the s&s into their line..

 

Here's a thread where Sailor's slip & seal was discussed

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/317773-sailor-slip-n-seal/

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I remember the Promenade had it, but did not know the Realo and KOP did. Guess its another reason for me to get a Realo model! I know it does not hold much more then the cartridge in my other Sailors, but I like piston fillers. I just thought it would be better to test the waters on the cheeper models first. I like my 1911L so waters tested in that size ;)

 

Thanks Olya!

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You're welcome, Driften!

 

I hear for the 1st time that Sailor did the s&s first, if true, then very intriguing. Platinum's 3776 Century is to my knowledge a huge success and best seller in Japan because of the s&s. If Sailor did it first, they must be absolutely livid, I would be in their place. Is their marketing department/ whoever responsible so inept to not have advertised it properly? Quite a huge loss to them, esp as they if I'm not mistaken rank 3rd behind Pilot & Platinum in brand prestige (& sales?).

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You're welcome, Driften!

 

I hear for the 1st time that Sailor did the s&s first, if true, then very intriguing. Platinum's 3776 Century is to my knowledge a huge success and best seller in Japan because of the s&s. If Sailor did it first, they must be absolutely livid, I would be in their place. Is their marketing department/ whoever responsible so inept to not have advertised it properly? Quite a huge loss to them, esp as they if I'm not mistaken rank 3rd behind Pilot & Platinum in brand prestige (& sales?).

I can't be certain with pens but remember amongst the big 3 in Japan only Platinum hasnt branched out

Sailor has a Robot manufacturing sector while Pilot has Stationery and Jewelry sector, and that Sailor is pretty active when making shop exclusives the inks being one of their life lines

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I can't be certain with pens but remember amongst the big 3 in Japan only Platinum hasnt branched out

Sailor has a Robot manufacturing sector while Pilot has Stationery and Jewelry sector, and that Sailor is pretty active when making shop exclusives the inks being one of their life lines

I didn't know that, thank you for the info! What does Pilot do in the jewellery sector? Now that's an interesting detour...

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So, I'm sorry to wake a thread from the dead like this... but reading through these posts I can't seem to grasp if this spring loaded inner cap is only on certain models like the Realos, or if its also on say, the 1911L/S and Pro Gear Slims? I have those pens, and they seem to stay wet for long periods and on the 1911L I feel a really soft resistance as I screw the cap on, so I'm wondering if its just an unadvertised feature of all the Pro Gear/1911 line?

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So, I'm sorry to wake a thread from the dead like this... but reading through these posts I can't seem to grasp if this spring loaded inner cap is only on certain models like the Realos, or if its also on say, the 1911L/S and Pro Gear Slims? I have those pens, and they seem to stay wet for long periods and on the 1911L I feel a really soft resistance as I screw the cap on, so I'm wondering if its just an unadvertised feature of all the Pro Gear/1911 line?

 

Only the Realos & KOPs (no sure if all? but I think yes all Realo & KOP models) and the Promenade have a spring-loaded slip & seal cap. All other Sailor models have "normal" caps.

 

Well made "normal" caps are excellent at keeping nibs/ pens from drying out, eg Sailor, Pilot, Pelikan, Sheaffer & others (in my experience), the slip & seal does work better at this, but is truthfully only relevant to extremely negligent users (eg use your pen only a couple of times a year) or fussy inks (pigment, IG); regular users who may even neglect a pen for a month or even a bit longer should have little to no trouble with regular non-s&s caps. Which is why I'm extra surprised why Parker still(!!) keeps making horrid caps which dry out nibs over night... smh!

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Only the Realos & KOPs (no sure if all? but I think yes all Realo & KOP models) and the Promenade have a spring-loaded slip & seal cap. All other Sailor models have "normal" caps.

 

Well made "normal" caps are excellent at keeping nibs/ pens from drying out, eg Sailor, Pilot, Pelikan, Sheaffer & others (in my experience), the slip & seal does work better at this, but is truthfully only relevant to extremely negligent users (eg use your pen only a couple of times a year) or fussy inks (pigment, IG); regular users who may even neglect a pen for a month or even a bit longer should have little to no trouble with regular non-s&s caps. Which is why I'm extra surprised why Parker still(!!) keeps making horrid caps which dry out nibs over night... smh!

 

Thank you for clarifying that for me! I guess I now owe it to myself to get a Realo and see the difference the inner cap might make. The only problem is I want one of the more unusual colors of a Realo and never can find one. And, as for pen abuse/neglect, I usually never let a pen go more than a week without some attention. So for me a long time unused is 7-10 days, I'd have to just forget it somehow to let a pen sit for a month! And I can agree, my Pilots, Pelikans, and Sailors so far all stay wet and ready to write within these time frames (Alas, a Shaeffer I do not have). I used to own a Parker Sonnet years ago, I really hated that pen, I wanted to love it, but it would dry out so quickly (not to mention it would skip a lot). I used to have a couple of 45s, they did better, much better, but I lost those sadly, and I haven't replaced them.

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Thank you for clarifying that for me! I guess I now owe it to myself to get a Realo and see the difference the inner cap might make. The only problem is I want one of the more unusual colors of a Realo and never can find one. And, as for pen abuse/neglect, I usually never let a pen go more than a week without some attention. So for me a long time unused is 7-10 days, I'd have to just forget it somehow to let a pen sit for a month! And I can agree, my Pilots, Pelikans, and Sailors so far all stay wet and ready to write within these time frames (Alas, a Shaeffer I do not have). I used to own a Parker Sonnet years ago, I really hated that pen, I wanted to love it, but it would dry out so quickly (not to mention it would skip a lot). I used to have a couple of 45s, they did better, much better, but I lost those sadly, and I haven't replaced them.

You're welcome! I have a Promenade and there's a very noticeable difference in feel when closing the pen - somehow it's smoother and simply lush, very very nice compared to my 1911 Standards & Pro Gear Slims. I find the Promenade feels even nicer than my 3776 Century which has the same seal. The nicest feeling closing mechanisms for me so far are the Promenade and Pilot Prera..

Sailor is disastrous with all their LEs & SEs, I love so many of them, it's nuts! And some are hard to get indeed, sometimes even a proxy service like White Rabbit can't help!

I have to say my Sheaffer experience is limited to only two pens (with another on the way), a Sagaris and a 440 and those hold up quite nicely when not in use for a few weeks and are very smooth.

I have a Sonnet and that one luckily does not dry out and is also quite smooth, but the new iteration of the IM dries out in a heartbeat, the old IM is much better. My Jotter fpen has a small whole in the cap, but no drying out issues either. Parker is unfortunately legendary for their drying out issues and I don't know why they don't fix it. This is the main reason why I'm extremely hesitant to buy Parkers, esp as their newest line has the same stupid issues as pens from I believe a couple of decades ago, if not even longer!!

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The feel of my Sailor KoP cap during the final 1/4 turn is very rewarding as the spring compresses. Much nicer than my Pelikans without a spring-managed inner cap that sometimes unscrew by themselves.

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I have a 1911 Realo where you can actually hear the spring when tightening the cap. It's a bit annoying, a creek, thought it was some sand caught in the threads.

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