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Hi.

I am a little confused with some pens.

All pens made in France.

In the first photo the fourth pen is slim.Is a lady pen?

Are the pens Master or Cotele?

I cant found the pen with that clip with marble in the bottom.Which model is?

Also the last pen is Waterman Hemisphere?

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

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Stick with Master cos there is no information, yet, on Cotele.

 

Third pic is a something, maybe Forme, Ronde

 

The last pen is a C/F or CF (cartridge filler).

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Stick with Master cos there is no information, yet, on Cotele.

 

Third pic is a something, maybe Forme, Ronde

 

The last pen is a C/F or CF (cartridge filler).

Τhanks a lot.

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I cant find similar with the clip with marble on the bottom.

Did anyone know something?I have the same plaque de oro fp.18k nib.

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All have the same clip.

 

Apart from the Waterminia (see Force's post) the others are part of the Forme Ronde series, the Goutte (drop) in particular. Named after the drop form on the clip, I guess.

 

 

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Apart from the Waterminia (see Force's post) the others are part of the Forme Ronde series, the Goutte (drop) in particular. Named after the drop form on the clip, I guess.

 

 

D.ick

Thanks a lot.I found some.

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I was sooo happy to see this thread! I have searched though sooo many "help me identify" threads to find this one.

I currently own three of these waterman pens. One is definitely a CF. One is a Master and the other I am not so sure...Please note my photos. The photos are (not in order) all four of the pens I recently obtained, including the 3 watermans and a parker 180 (love this pen). Photo 2 is of the two pens I have questions about side by side capped. Photo 3 is of the two in question taken apart to see all parts. BTW, yes I am a weirdo who loves slim pens...more on that in a later post.

So questions:

1) I was investigating (honestly one of my favorite things about this whole fountain pen addiction) on the interwebs on the two Watermans to learn more and I have figured out that the thicker greenish/black one is a Master. However, I am conflicted on the yellow/brown (orange) one. I went to Ravens March and it seems to be identified as a Super Master (that is what the sale said as well). However Ravens March's example had an entirely different clip. It was more like the clip on the cf. The clips on this one is identical to the clip on the Master. The differences I see between the two are that the orange one is much slimmer, it is a tad longer and it is too small inside to accept the converter that works nicely with the Master. So what is my little orange friend, a Master or a Super Master?

2) What cartridge and or converter will work with my little orange friend. Thank you so very much for all your help in advance.

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Shall we call it Tortoise Shell. Yours, in all intents and purposes, is a Super Master and most probably an early one. I believe later ones have the slotted clip which was being used on the Exclusive/Executive models.

 

Ref the ink tank...I am surprised it will not accept the current Waterman International long cartridge or any converter post 1980. See pic below listing accessories.

My only reservation being that they show bottled ink but no converter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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OUTSTANDING information Thank you so much! I was very confused as EVERY single article showed a pen that was fatter and shorter Plus had different clip. Ok now to find a cartridge or converter. I have a confirmed Master with a cartridge that DOES fit the nib end. However, though it will easily attach to nib end and pen writes with it the base of the pen is too slim to fit over the back side of converter.

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I think the pen is a Master only because it is fitted with a C/F side spring converter.

 

I very much doubt it would fit into the Super Master which is a slimmer barrel.

 

 

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My first Super Master (which I got new, and so had a sticker telling me the model, hoorah) came with the modern-style twist Waterman converter.

Ernst, you have Super Mastered it :D

 

I suspect a rogue cartridge or converter is Butrflis problem.

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My first Super Master (which I got new, and so had a sticker telling me the model, hoorah) came with the modern-style twist Waterman converter.

 

 

Late reply: Ernst, if I may impose on you, if you still have that Supermaster, a few pictures would be lovely!

 

 

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I have a gunmetal Supermaster, and it too uses the modern converter.

It's the only thing that will fit in the slim barrel.

 

Ian

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Late reply: Ernst, if I may impose on you, if you still have that Supermaster, a few pictures would be lovely!

 

 

D.ick

 

An even later reaction! Here it is, in all its cylindrical minimalist glory:

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It's mainly pens, just now....

Oh, good heavens. He's got a blog now, too.

 

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