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#41 Memory

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 05:03

I was really excited about the UV ink properties, so I ordered a sample straight away. Based on reviews I've seen on various websites, it's clear YMMV. I tried unbleached craft paper, paper towels, etc, and I could not get the ink to fluoresce at all. I could barely get the blue shift on chromatography sheets and plates. Strangely enough, as a control, I tried Empire Red. It fluoresces like mad. I know that over time, Empire Red definitely separates in to layers, and I have to shake vigorously in order to distribute the precipitate. It's possible my House Divided sample wasn't shaken when it was aliquoted. Either way, I'm slightly disappointed. I really, really wanted to combine this ink into a scientific history lesson for my nephews, but the properties just aren't prominent enough for me to maintain the interest fo two elementary school kids.



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 12:22

I was really excited about the UV ink properties, so I ordered a sample straight away. Based on reviews I've seen on various websites, it's clear YMMV. I tried unbleached craft paper, paper towels, etc, and I could not get the ink to fluoresce at all. I could barely get the blue shift on chromatography sheets and plates. Strangely enough, as a control, I tried Empire Red. It fluoresces like mad. I know that over time, Empire Red definitely separates in to layers, and I have to shake vigorously in order to distribute the precipitate. It's possible my House Divided sample wasn't shaken when it was aliquoted. Either way, I'm slightly disappointed. I really, really wanted to combine this ink into a scientific history lesson for my nephews, but the properties just aren't prominent enough for me to maintain the interest fo two elementary school kids.

It's possible: I got samples of J Herbin's Emerald of  Chivor and Amethyste, and both almost entirely lack shimmer and have close to no sheen (I was most surprised about the Emerald ink).  My conclusion is that they were decanted from near the top of unshaken bottles.


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Posted 20 September 2017 - 16:34

It's possible: I got samples of J Herbin's Emerald of  Chivor and Amethyste, and both almost entirely lack shimmer and have close to no sheen (I was most surprised about the Emerald ink).  My conclusion is that they were decanted from near the top of unshaken bottles.

 

Oh no! I'm so sorry! Amethyste is simply amazing. It even sparkles with my finer nibbed pens. As for Emeralds of Chivor, I definitely noticed the most sheening on Tomoe River, so that must be part of the problem.

 

Azizah from Gourmet pens commented on a sample of Emeralds of Chivor she received as part of a monthly subscription, and she also reported not getting any particles in her sample. 



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 21:02

It's something I'm aware of now and do worry about when getting ink samples.  I've now read plenty of first-hand experience by people who wrote that shaking their ink bottle results in a more uniform color experience, not just for inks that contain shimmer particles.  I wonder if we should write to the various on-line retailers offering samples and mention that they should shake their ink bottles well before decanting them into sample vials (since I presume a bunch of vials are filled at a time). 

 

(My sample of Emerald of Chivor contains NO sparkle nor sheen.  I wrote with an italic dip pen on paper that normally is pretty sheen-friendly, and I have a bunch of different teals on the same page for comparison.  I can see the edge-sheen on writing made with Robert Oster's Fire and Ice, and lots on Organics Studio Walden Pond, but the Emerald of Chivor is just a flat blue-teal.  My sample of Amethyste is dark purple with a VERY small amount of silver sparkle--I have to really look for it closely), likewise written with a flexible italic dip pen, so saturated line).


Edited by Intensity, 20 September 2017 - 21:07.

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 21:56

I think the problem is also the huge variety of inks that are available today. Formerly, it was standard good protocol to avoid shaking bottles since any precipitate that fell out of solution was undesirable, could clog your pen, lead to undesireable chemical reactions, or even in some cases, lead to microbial growth and dreaded SIT (slime in the bottle) syndrome (never mind that it's anaerobic bacteria and mold, not true slime or even slime mold like Dictyostelium). These days, supersaturated are the norm, and dyes in such a high concentration can fall out of solution. Complex ink types that lead to fluorescence, "bulletproof properties," or other desireable charcteristics like the newer iron galls all contain soluble material that can fall out of solution. I'm always very conscientious about which bottles I shake and which I don't. Noodler's inks, pigmented inks, iron galls, and shimmering/shading inks will always be shaken. Older brand taht are safe for vintage fountain pens, like Parker, Waterman, Shaeffer, etc i avoid shaking. Then again, I also aliquot all my ink into sample vials to avoid cross contamination and to try and get the most reliable results. This is very likely overly cautious on my part, but I'd have undo years of training at the bench to change my habits now!



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Posted 21 September 2017 - 02:55

Memory, I found that the UV inks fluoresced on some papers but not on others.  I couldn't identify what made the difference. Did you find that it could be paper dependent? 


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 21:32

White paper is often not only bleached, but has fluorescent dye added to make them appear whiter. It's the same flourescent lightening agent that "makes white whiter" as the Tide adverts used to say. I've found that unbleached recyceld or craft paper can display fluorescent properties more than normal 20# printer paper or even good stationary. In my hands, the sample of Houses Divided wouldn't fluoresce in any channels. Noodler's Empire Red, a bulletproof Noodler's ink, fluoresced strongly regardless of which paper I tried. 



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Posted 21 September 2017 - 21:36

White paper is often not only bleached, but has fluorescent dye added to make them appear whiter. It's the same flourescent lightening agent that "makes white whiter" as the Tide adverts used to say. I've found that unbleached recyceld or craft paper can display fluorescent properties more than normal 20# printer paper or even good stationary. In my hands, the sample of Houses Divided wouldn't fluoresce in any channels. Noodler's Empire Red, a bulletproof Noodler's ink, fluoresced strongly regardless of which paper I tried. 

 

Someone with a full well-shaken bottle of this ink should test out the fluorescence.  A sample vial might well contain an incorrect concentration of the ink from the intended proportions of ingredients.


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Posted 23 September 2017 - 06:02

Memory, thank you for the thoughtful explanation!

 

Intensity, I wonder if that's true. When I use Ghost Blue, I found it was paper dependent not matter what concentration I used.  ** Specifically, I would add GB to other inks to make them more water resistant. I found that the mixter would fluoresce on some papers and not on others.  Since I wouldn't shake the ink before filling I would think that the UV part wouldn't be so prone to falling out of solution, BUT I also don't know that the same ingredients were used in HD as in GB.  So, I guess, I talked myself out of having an opinion.  :)


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Posted 24 September 2017 - 11:08

Many fans of the ink maker today, but not many fans of the ink in question.

 

I'm neither a fan of the maker nor of this particular ink.

 

The color is washed out and boring, like old lady lipstick.



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Posted 24 September 2017 - 16:15

No! It will not be my 42nd Noodler's ink.

 

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 17:53

Sorry if someone already mentioned this, as I did not take the time to read everyone's response.

 

And I didn't notice this, but my wife did. This ink is mostly RED under regular white light, it shows BLUE under black light.

 

I think this is "twist" of Noodler's Ink: House Divided. It's like a 'Easter-Egg' in software. It's red and blue, and you can see both colors depending on which type of light you use.



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Posted 04 March 2018 - 20:56

That's pretty cool.


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Posted 05 March 2018 - 00:29

Well, I had forgotten this thread and picked up a sample vial of this over the weekend at the B/W show.  We'll see whether or not I like it.  

If I don't, well, I'm only out a couple of bucks....  :rolleyes: 

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 18:32

Memory, I found that the UV inks fluoresced on some papers but not on others.  I couldn't identify what made the difference. Did you find that it could be paper dependent?


Not only do some papers contain fluorescent dyes of their own, there are also 'brighteners' used to make these dyes fluoresce brighter, and may do things to other inks as well.

Edited by Corona688, 07 March 2018 - 18:33.


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 02:42

So I've decided I need this ink in my life. It's a lovely dusty rose / rose gold (like Apple's rose gold aluminum color)/rose quartz shade.  Has it always been about $18.50 a bottle?  Or was it more like the standard $12.50 and is now priced higher?  Just curious.

 

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Edited by Intensity, 11 March 2018 - 02:48.

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 11:47

Noodler’s special properties inks sometimes have the higher price. Show inks also tend to be higher priced because they are usually limited editions. House Divided has always been at the higher price point.
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Posted 11 March 2018 - 16:17

Noodler’s special properties inks sometimes have the higher price. Show inks also tend to be higher priced because they are usually limited editions. House Divided has always been at the higher price point.

 

Thank you, just wanted to make sure I was not looking at priced-up bottles since it was limited edition.


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 18:09

Noodler’s special properties inks sometimes have the higher price. Show inks also tend to be higher priced because they are usually limited editions. House Divided has always been at the higher price point.

 

Actually, the Noodler's LE show inks I've gotten have NOT been more expensive:  I think that Luck of the Draw (the B/W 2018 LE ink) was the price of standard 3 oz. bottles (but don't quote me -- my purchase was part of a larger one, so I'm not sure I have a breakdown of the cost of ink per bottle, and I didn't get it from the Luxury Brands table).  Certainly the three he did for the Commonwealth Pen Show a couple of years ago (Miles Stanish, King Philip's Requiem, and Plymouth Wilderness) were LESS expensive than the normal 3 oz. bottles -- AND came with free Charlie pens.  

The special "Committee of Safety" inks that were designed for the Boston Safety pens were more, but they were both a special line and, IIRC, 4 oz. bottles (I didn't get any of them because the pens weren't available at that point).

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 18:36

I've never seen the 3 oz at anything but $12.50. Someone may be asking for more since it is an LE ink.
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