What Model Is This Sheaffer, Pls?

[Le Vieux]

No idea what Sheaffer is this, can anyone enlighten me please?Evidently the nib it's not of this pen.

 

Many thanks!

 

 

 

 

 

[Doug1426]

Looks like a Grand Connaisseur.

[Chrissy]

I thought it looked similar to a Connaisseur, but it has the wrong nib so it's a Frankenpen

[jar]

Maybe a fake Sheaffer.

[parban]

Were sheaffer models ever faked? Fitting another nib is a separate issue and very much possible.

[Chrissy]

Were sheaffer models ever faked? Fitting another nib is a separate issue and very much possible.

 

Do you think the Chinese considered them exempt from being copied?

[Le Vieux]

I do not believe this pen is fake; everything looks legit. I have already said the nib is not of this model, it's a generic steel plated Iridium Germany thing. The feed it's genuine, though.

 

One question I have, just curious: let us take a Pelikan 1000, genuine. It is fitted with a poor and not genuine nib. Do we have a genuine Pelikan 1000 fountain pen with a wrong nib, or do we have a frankenpen?

 

If so, when and why Pelikan word stops being said, and why do we refer to it as a "frankenpen". It is a genuine pen with a wrong nib. Does this makes it a frankenpen? I would have thought the word "frankenpen" is spoken when we have a pen made from at least 2 different parts, seriously affecting the integrity of the model.

 

A Pelikan Ibis just arrived to my desk, with the wrong nib; does this makes it a frankenpen or a Pelikan Ibis with the wrong nib?

 

Just curious. Thank you!

[JonSzanto]

It is a bit difficult to nail this down without getting pedantic. In general, the pen world seems to use the term "frankenpen" when a pen is composed of non-original parts in some significant way. Wrong cap. Wrong barrel. Converting an aerometric into a cartridge pen. Entirely replaced section/feed/nib.

 

So whether or not you want to use the term when all that is not original equipment is the nib... well, that is up to you. It is still not an original pen. Yes, in your example, you'd most likely still refer to it as a Pelikan 1000, but one that is deficient and not to be considered a true example of that pen.

 

As to the Sheaffer, man - what the hell-o-matic happened to that pen? I can't seem to find any model that matches the lines in the cap/barrel and I can't figure out if it was a black pen that has been abraded or what? Honestly, I am wondering if this is some knockoff. Very curious.

[penmanila]

How can it not be a knock-off? The white dot isnt even on the clip, as it should be on a modern Sheaffer like a Targa, iirc. Again I could be wrong as Im on the road and away from my reference pens.

 

Edit: indeed I was wrong. Just checked online and the Connaiseurs dot is off the clip.

 

Still looks like a knock-off to me because of the finish of the barrel.

Edited August 6, 2017 by penmanila

[Le Vieux]

Guys, how is the pen shown by me here, in any way different from these here, known to be genuine ones? Apart from the nib, of course.

 

My pen

 

 

 

http://www.sheaffertarga.com/connaisseur/connaisseur%20write%20up.html

 

http://www.sheaffertarga.com/connaisseur/con%20crop%20images/silver.jpg

 

 

http://www.sheaffertarga.com/connaisseur/con%20images/823%20silver%20con%202.jpg

 

http://www.sheaffertarga.com/connaisseur/con%20images/823%20silver%20con%202.jpg

 

 

I would guess that, at some stage, the owner painted it black, for some reason (to hide the fact it is made from sterling silver perhaps?). Or, the black stuff can be grime, I have seen worse. If you look at the area right above the nib section, the pen is shiny, with no black stuff on it at all. That portion would have been hidden under the cap when closed, and thus protected against dirt and such.

 

[JonSzanto]

Specifically *because* of all that black (bleep) on the pen! I couldn't for the life of me figure out what that was - a black pen that had most all of it worn off, or a silver pen with black stuff smeared on? It isn't even very easy to tell from the photos if it is silver plate or gold plate.

 

In any event, I guess I'm willing to see it as a Grand Connoisseur, albeit one that has been through a lot of abuse. I've got a couple of other Connoisseurs and it is a shame this one has been treated so badly, as they are nice pens.

[Chrissy]

I think that maybe silver would tarnish that badly if left for a long enough time. It needs careful cleaning to bring it back to life.

 

I wasn't aware of the specifics of a Frankenpen requirement that the term could not be used if the only change was the nib.

[Le Vieux]

The pen is going to arrive to me in several days (the owner decided to sell it to me for a ridiculously small amount) . Once with me, I will clean it properly, as I would not want to do anymore damage to this object more than it has been receiving until now.

 

I will post the results here, and as I have a Sheaffer GC nib in waiting, it'll be ready for display. We will know at that time if this is a c/f or the real thing.

 

@ chrissy...me neither but it seems to me a much more exact approach to call a Pelikan with a wrong nib just that: a Pelikan with a wrong nib, instead calling it a frankenpen. If the pen would have more than 1 part swapped or not of the model or brand, I would agree it's a frankenpen. As far as I recall, Frankenstein was made out of several different parts. Swap just a finger or just one ear...would he (it) still make the story? Hardly, IMHO.

 

Why don't people here call a Pelikan 400 with a 400NN cap - a frankenpen? They just call it for what it is - a Pelikan 400 with a 400NN cap.

 

I guess this has to end here...it's getting nowhere

Edited August 7, 2017 by PenThing

[Chrissy]

The pen is going to arrive to me in several days (the owner decided to sell it to me for a ridiculously small amount) . Once with me, I will clean it properly, as I would not want to do anymore damage to this object more than it has been receiving until now.

 

I will post the results here, and as I have a Sheaffer GC nib in waiting, it'll be ready for display. We will know at that time if this is a c/f or the real thing.

 

@ chrissy...me neither but it seems to me a much more exact approach to call a Pelikan with a wrong nib just that: a Pelikan with a wrong nib, instead calling it a frankenpen. If the pen would have more than 1 part swapped or not of the model or brand, I would agree it's a frankenpen. As far as I recall, Frankenstein was made out of several different parts. Swap just a finger or just one ear...would he (it) still make the story? Hardly, IMHO.

 

Why don't people here call a Pelikan 400 with a 400NN cap - a frankenpen? They just call it for what it is - a Pelikan 400 with a 400NN cap.

 

I guess this has to end here...it's getting nowhere

 

If it was coming to me I would be planning on cleaning up the silver and repainting the black cap band.

 

OK I agree that it doesn't sound like a true Frankenpen anymore.

[PaulS]

I'd agree that for a pen made in the late1980s, then oxidation seems to have got to work fairly quickly - but then we don't know the history or storage details, which if we did might explain a lot.

Personally, I like the pen the way it is - it's been purchased 'for a ridiculously small amount', so no investment to be worried about, and I think I'd keep the pen the way it is - which certainly won't affect its writing abilities. The oxidation, as you'd expect, remains within the grooves, since presumably handling has prevented this from appearing on the raised parts of the pen's body.

 

Apparently the g.p. versions were lacquered and you might have thought that the Sterling examples might have benefitted from the same treatment, but probably not cost effective to do so.

Trying to replace black paint, from an amateur's skill level, might detract from the appearance, but this might not matter in view of the overall worn looks. What are the caps, clips and rings made of, are they g.f. perhaps, or brass?

 

I've never used the expression 'frankenpen' - regret I don't know the origin of the word although understand what it implies, but it sounds like a gimmicky or perhaps novelty word, and think I'd tend to describe the pen as a Sheaffer Connaisseur 823 Sterling Silver fluted f.p., with a German steel nib.

I'd have bought it, as I say, I like it.

Edited August 7, 2017 by PaulS