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I saw what I thought was a PFM in a flea market, but later wondered what I really saw. How does one differentiate an original PFM from and Imperial and a Legacy? What are the differences and what are the improvements?

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I know some PFM's were snorkel fillers, but I'm not sure if all of them were or if some of them were just TD fillers. The PFM is a fatter pen than the Imperial.

 

The Legacy 1 & 2 were TD fillers, both also fatter than the Imperial. Legacy 1 & 2 can also both be used with a Sheaffer metal press bar converter or a cartridge.

 

The Legacy Heritage was a C/C filler and can be used with cartridges or a twist action converter.

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The one I handled was a snorkel, had a wide gold plated band on the plastic cap, and was squared off at both ends. It was fat, so it may have been a PFM. Are they worth $40 when it's clear it will need restoration? It had a 14K inlaid nib.

Baptiste knew how to make a short job long

For love of it. And yet not waste time either.

Robert Frost

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The one I handled was a snorkel, had a wide gold plated band on the plastic cap, and was squared off at both ends. It was fat, so it may have been a PFM. Are they worth $40 when it's clear it will need restoration? It had a 14K inlaid nib.

 

I have no idea how much restoration might cost, but you could do a search on eBay, or a Google search to see images of a PFM or an Imperial to check which pen you saw. The Imperial is much thinner, not quite as thin as a Targa Classic but similar.

 

I would buy a PFM for $40 even if it needed full restoration. :) I know I probably couldn't restore it myself too. :(

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$40 for a PFM? That is a steal. Even if it needs full restoration.

As long as the nib/section is ok, I would buy it in a heartbeat (and restore it myself :) ).

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Danny Fudge did an earlier snorkel for $25 IIRC. So, I may need to go have another look see.

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$40 for a PFM? That is a steal. Even if it needs full restoration.

As long as the nib/section is ok, I would buy it in a heartbeat (and restore it myself :) ).

 

Is the main problem getting one of the O-rings into exactly the right place? Or is there a recommended way of doing that?

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Not particularly. The first time I had to put the O-ring in one of them was a bit of a struggle, but now it is not difficult.

I'm not sure it is the "recommended" way to do it, but I use a little round wood rod inserted through the front end of the barrel to prevent the O-ring to slide past the groove and insert the ring from the back using a pair of tweezers. It takes 30 sec or so.

 

Snorkels are not that difficult to repair, really.

Richard Binder has some instructions that are very good in his page (just be careful that the sac is not too long). The only thing complicated is when you get one that needs a replacement snorkel system. Then, aligning the tube is, sometimes, a terrible pain (I have one in my desk now that is refusing to cooperate, the darn thing :P ).

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Go get it. If it was a fat snorkel with an inlaid nib it can only be a PFM. The wide cap band and 14K nib would make it a PFM III; my personal favorite of the PFMs.

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The one I handled was a snorkel, had a wide gold plated band on the plastic cap, and was squared off at both ends. It was fat, so it may have been a PFM. Are they worth $40 when it's clear it will need restoration? It had a 14K inlaid nib.

 

Did someone say sumgai? You better go back and get it. A PFM at $40 is definitely sumgai.

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Not particularly. The first time I had to put the O-ring in one of them was a bit of a struggle, but now it is not difficult.

I'm not sure it is the "recommended" way to do it, but I use a little round wood rod inserted through the front end of the barrel to prevent the O-ring to slide past the groove and insert the ring from the back using a pair of tweezers. It takes 30 sec or so.

 

Snorkels are not that difficult to repair, really.

Richard Binder has some instructions that are very good in his page (just be careful that the sac is not too long). The only thing complicated is when you get one that needs a replacement snorkel system. Then, aligning the tube is, sometimes, a terrible pain (I have one in my desk now that is refusing to cooperate, the darn thing :P ).

 

Thanks. :) Sorry, I didn't intend to hijack the thread. The possibility of resaccing a snorkel has so far prevented me from buying a PFM. Instead I have a Legacy V1, and although I love it, with it's stub nib, I really don't like the TD filling system. I know it's different to all of the other TD filling systems, and it can't be repaired, but my large O-ring on the section is hard and has little nicks in it all of the way around it, and I need to buy another one. I'm almost tempted to just get rid of the TD filling system completely so that I can use a nice twist action converter instead. :unsure:

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I know some PFM's were snorkel fillers, but I'm not sure if all of them were or if some of them were just TD fillers. The PFM is a fatter pen than the Imperial.

PFM have been only with snorkel.

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Sumgai speaking... Final price was less than $40 with tax. But it will have to go to Danny for restoration. The only flaw is that it has 3 initials on the clip.. The pen is 5 3/8" long and 1/2" diameter. Nib is 14k. No cracks, no scratches, and no teeth marks. Looks clean.

 

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Baptiste knew how to make a short job long

For love of it. And yet not waste time either.

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Nice, very nice! Congratulations on such a gorgeous pen!

 

From what I hear, Danny has a pretty quick turn around, so you should be enjoying this great pen pretty soon! :thumbup:

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Thanks. :) Sorry, I didn't intend to hijack the thread. The possibility of resaccing a snorkel has so far prevented me from buying a PFM. Instead I have a Legacy V1, and although I love it, with it's stub nib, I really don't like the TD filling system. I know it's different to all of the other TD filling systems, and it can't be repaired, but my large O-ring on the section is hard and has little nicks in it all of the way around it, and I need to buy another one. I'm almost tempted to just get rid of the TD filling system completely so that I can use a nice twist action converter instead. :unsure:

 

 

The O-ring should be pretty easy to change. Give it a try.

OTOH, I find touchdown a pain to clean. I have a Legacy II Copper, which can be used eithe with touchdown or with the old squeeze converters. I put the converter in it and never looked back. Still, the Legacys are such nice pens that I'm more than willing to put up with the touchdown filler (Snorkels I absolutely love).

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