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Goatskin Vellum Drying Problem?

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#1 sidthecat

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 19:00

According to The Daily Telegraph, the Queen's Speech is being delayed - not because of the chaos in the much-diminished Conservative Party, but because it takes SO LONG for the ink to dry on the fancy archival paper (referred to as "goatskin") the speech is printed on.
So, I wondered if anyone has used this stuff? Does it take forever for ink to dry on it?

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 23:04

I haven't, but I know people in the SCA who have used vellum for award scrolls (and a guy who actually made his own vellum.

I suspect it depends entirely on what ink is used.  Medieval inks were often made of lamp black (stick a candle flame under something like a ceramic plate to collect the soot) but I don't remember how it's made beyond that.

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#3 sidthecat

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 23:24

The Telegraph hastened to mention that no actual goats were harmed in the making of this speech. "Goatskin" seems to refer to a particular type of archival paper, which I suspect is made from 100% rag. I bought a piece of real vellum and sent it to my sister to play with. She's an artist. She's also intimidated by it.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 23:34

I believe the real issue is that they couldn't get the goat to stand still.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 23:48

I've got some samples of goatskin vellum and had no appreciable drying difficulties with sumi ink, Higgin's Eternal Black, Walnut ink, or a variety of fountain pen inks. 



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 00:11

Hi,

 

FYI http://news.national...heir-parliament

 

Well, at least there's no Tweeting

 

Bye,

S1


Edited by Sandy1, 18 June 2017 - 00:13.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 02:27

I also understand that Her Majesty is going to deliver her speech (once it's dry) sans regalia. Perhaps she doesn't trust the sort of people they send to Parliament anymore.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 02:58

I believe the real issue is that they couldn't get the goat to stand still.

 

The problem in Aus. is that most of the goats are feral (along with many voters, but that's a different problem).

 

 

Following Sandy1's linky, what does the Queen's bodyguard do if he/she actually finds a coupla dozen barrels of gunpowder?


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 04:10

 

The problem in Aus. is that most of the goats are feral (along with many voters, but that's a different problem).

 

 

Following Sandy1's linky, what does the Queen's bodyguard do if he/she actually finds a coupla dozen barrels of gunpowder?

 

 

Ah, I reckon HM's body guard is comprised of multiple people.

(At times I trot along inside the diamond, disguised as a squaddie.)

 

Barrels of gunpowder? Well fireworks on a mid-Summer's eve seems appropriate.

 

Along with a morsel of swan roasted over wood from our apple orchard...

 

But what music to play??? (I am soo tired of Vivaldi.)


Edited by Sandy1, 18 June 2017 - 23:44.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 03:06

Okay then.  I heard back from someone I know who is an SCA scribe (she also runs the amateur madrigal choir I'm in).  She said that she hadn't noticed a lot of difference in dry time between paper and vellum (since that was what I thought we were discussing), unless the vellum isn't properly prepared and is still a little greasy, although she also said the ink is more likely to float on top until it is dry, rather than soak ink as it would on paper.  She didn't say what sort of ink she was using -- I'm guessing that in her case it's likely to be India ink in a dip pen for texts, and watercolor or gouache paint for the illuminations.

I do know that she has had discussions with one of her apprentices (who is also in the choir, as it happens) about ordering specific papers to use on scroll assignments.

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ETA: Just heard back a bit more from the same person.

1. IG inks may/will (over time) "etch itself" into the skin as it oxidizes.

2. If it's "goatskin" it's actually parchment (not vellum -- that comes from calfskin, according to her).

Who knew?   :rolleyes: 


Edited by inkstainedruth, 19 June 2017 - 03:19.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 03:43

In a wholly apolitical way, I think it could start another wonderful tradition if the speech were etched into the prepared hides of royal ancestors.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 05:38

In a wholly apolitical way, I think it could start another wonderful tradition if the speech were etched into the prepared hides of royal ancestors.



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Edited by Sandy1, 19 June 2017 - 06:53.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 13:07

They usually leave the vellum in the House of Commons. Apparently there is enough hot air generated to dry even the wettest of MPs inks on vellum.

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