Sailor's Original Colours Are Back

[antichresis]

 

Of course, there is the question of whether they were ever gone.

[T4TEXAS]

Who is carrying them?

[jmccarty3]

Nibs.com has them.

[antichresis]

The Goldspot post shared that the official US distributor of Sailor ("Itoya") sent them the e-mail so I would think that all US retail outlets that stock the brand will soon get them.

[Cyber6]

Total bummer... we already have equivalent colours (identical to a chromatography level) of most of those. I rather Sailor come up with new colours.

 

 

C.

[pepsiplease69]

Bummer for me too because I literally stocked up on sky high and Epinard (several lifetime's worth of supply) when they were discontinued last.

 

I'd like them to bring back Sailor Red-Brown

[Cyber6]

I'd like them to bring back Sailor Red-Brown

 

 

OH YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

And is not about stocking up... most of these colours have their identical twin already in stores..

 

 

Apricot = Kin-mokusei (same chromatography)

Grenade = Oku-yama (same chromatography)

Sky High = Souten (same chromatography)

Epinard = Tokiwa-matsu (this one I never did the chromatography test.. but to my eyes they look like twins too)

This is not like bringing back Irori and Rikyu-Cha, those two are unique colours and there was nothing out there that was similar and easy accessible.

C.

[pepsiplease69]

@Cyber6 totally agree on all counts.

 

I'd say tokiwa matsu is pretty darn identical from where I look at it.

 

But I went out on a buying spree during the short sliver of time when the news was out about them going away and the replacement colors weren't quite out/proven yet.

 

I did the same with the Caran d'Ache only to regret later.

 

Now I'm a bit cautious about buying more ink, or acting irrationally on new intelligence about inks getting dropped.

[Cyber6]

Now I'm a bit cautious about buying more ink, or acting irrationally on new intelligence about inks getting dropped.

 

 

LOL... I have one rule, if I really... REALLY like the ink... I get one back up bottle. There is NOTHING out there that cannot be replace by a very similar colour.

 

Life is too short for hording ink.. enjoy what you have, when you have it... get a backup if you really like it and use it often, once is gone another one will take its place.

 

 

 

C.

[white_lotus]

+1

 

Life is too short for hording ink

 

So so true.

[EclecticCollector]

And is not about stocking up... most of these colours have their identical twin already in stores..

 

 

Apricot = Kin-mokusei (same chromatography)

Grenade = Oku-yama (same chromatography)

Sky High = Souten (same chromatography)

Epinard = Tokiwa-matsu (this one I never did the chromatography test.. but to my eyes they look like twins too)

 

C.

Chromatography notwithstanding, Souten and Sky High are subtly but consistently different for me, particularly with how easily they sheen. Possibly psychological, but I can reliably identify them in my older writings.

[Cyber6]

Chromatography notwithstanding, Souten and Sky High are subtly but consistently different for me, particularly with how easily they sheen. Possibly psychological, but I can reliably identify them in my older writings.

 

I totally believe you. I will say is mostly due to differences in lubrication (if you take out pen and paper differences). The one that is a bit wetter will show more sheen. In any case, the same differences you can see from the same ink on different batches. I am still not convinced the new Irori is the same formulation as the old Irori (I can't compare them since I don't have the old Irori).. I find the new one with a slight orangy tone.

 

In any case, regardless of the "slight" differences, my point is that it still does not justify buying both bottles. I wanted some new colours... or at least, if they are going to release "similar" colours, then do the ones from hard to find exclusive lines.

 

 

 

C.

[Pensei]

Sky High seems to be the one that gets the most frequent, "Yeah, it might be a little different" comments. I'm a little tempted on that. And I never got Kin-mokusei, so that opens up Apricot, which people seem to like. The price increase is a bit unfortunate.

[EclecticCollector]

In any case, regardless of the "slight" differences, my point is that it still does not justify buying both bottles. I wanted some new colours... or at least, if they are going to release "similar" colours, then do the ones from hard to find exclusive lines.

 

 

 

C.

Completely agree - that's why I never got Souten.

[TSherbs]

This is good news, since this will mean that those who did not purchase extra bottles before will be able to enjoy them again.

[Barkingpig]

I think it is always good news when old favorite inks are made available again; I caught my choices when they were last available & then their "replacements," so I don't have to worry about this new launch. But I am happy for the users who loved these colors & want them, or for new users, who have not had a chance to try them.

 

I was surely happy to have the chance to purchase Rikyu-Cha, after reading about it's disappearance & hence mythical reputation; someone out there will be happy to try Sky High for the first time, I imagine. I never tried any of the Storia inks & I see this as an improvement on their introduction.

[lgsoltek]

What I want them to bring back but they won't:

 

Brown, and the 10 Onago-iros Days (minus the three they've chosen to bring back - which are pretty boring or expletive (Honey = Kin-mokusei, and now = Apricot).

Edited April 29, 2017 by Lgsoltek

[inkstainedruth]

Chromatography notwithstanding, Souten and Sky High are subtly but consistently different for me, particularly with how easily they sheen. Possibly psychological, but I can reliably identify them in my older writings.

 

I had the same experience. I LOVE Sky High, but I tried a sample of Souten and it was not the same. I don't care what the chromatography results are.

I had actually wanted to try Epinard before it went away. I tried Tokiwa-Matsu, and it was okay, but I actually liked Anderson Pens Green Bay (which, IIRC, was made by Scribal Shops for them) a little better. So, if someone that does samples gets Epinard in, I'm likely to try it, but I may or may not want a full bottle at this point.

Getting a backup bottle of Sky High might be in the cards, if it really is the same formulation. But I have other inks now that are that same sort of bright blue (at the moment I have De Atramentis Sky Blue in a pen, and I still have to try my sample of Iroshihzuku Kon-peki). So whether I actually DO get a backup of Sky High remains to be seen....

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[white_lotus]

I know there has been much discussion about the similarity of these original colors to ones in the Four Seasons line. I never had any of the originals as that was before my FP-time. Anyway I used the Anderson Pens "Ink Tool" to compare the old and the new and took screenshots to post here.

 

Now I don't know how these swatches and squiggle samples are lighted, whether it's consistent, but I'd imagine they are meant to be comparable. Sometimes when I compare swatches from different vendors I wonder if they have the same ink, but I think within one shop they should be comparable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[FullyLoaded]

From my ink stable and online color rendering, I'd say the Anderson swatches are fairly representative of each ink. Fascinating chromatography results at FPN, but I suspect a simple H2O test is incomplete in separating out all chemical components which may affect the visual senses. Souten doesn't have the sheen that Sky High had (has?), ditto for grenade and oku-yama, and grenade epinard had a nuanced darker side (black, brown, grey?) that tokiwa-matsu doesn't express. Wouldn't mind seeing someone do some gas-liquid chromatography or HPLC work to see all the chemical constituents in each ink. Frankly, though, why bother? You know what you like when you see it--I'd say that should end the debate from within the inner being. When sky high vanished, I grieved terribly but tried to recover with Kon-Peki or Souten telling myself that the experts had demonstrated sufficiently that all were comparably similar if not the same; but it was of no use. My pens knew, my hand knew, the paper knew, my eyes knew, and my heart was not fooled. There was no way the brain could logically provide convincing arguments and win; intangibles matter.

 

Yep can live with one or the other for sure, but given a chance to choose, which this is the second go-round for chances, I'd aim for that personal pleasure spot that only certain inks can provide. For me it's sky high, grenade, epinard, apricot, sakura-mori, and ultra-marine. And out of the entire bunch, so far, only Peche disappointed me. I have such high expectations and so many great writing results from Sailor brand(s) that I was utterly shocked that I dry heaved every time I attempted to use Peche. It's only redemption was a posted mix with other inks to simulate another fabulous color by J. Herbin, Rouille d' Ancre.

Edited June 28, 2017 by InkJotter