Thoughts On A Carene With A 1.1 Stub Nib?

[ItsMeDave]

I tried one yesterday at a retailer and quite liked it, but wasn't ready to pull the trigger, was kinda pricey.

Ended up walking out with a 1.1 stub nib for my TWSBI Diamond 580.

 

What's the ink flow like on a Carene, will it keep up with a stub? I was merely dipping the nib, which doesn't evaluate ink flow.

 

Cheers,

 

David

[RMN]

Stock stub nibs are not sold as "1.1 stub", just stub. Could be a modification by a nib technician...

 

I have 2 stubs on my Carenes, and I like them very much. Can't check on the width now, as I just moved home and all is yet packed up.

 

 

 

D.ick

[ItsMeDave]

Stock stub nibs are not sold as "1.1 stub", just stub. Could be a modification by a nib technician...

 

I have 2 stubs on my Carenes, and I like them very much. Can't check on the width now, as I just moved home and all is yet packed up.

 

 

 

D.ick

 

Hmmm.

 

I was trying the pen out at a retailer, I can't recall if I read 1.1 on the nib, or the salesperson said 1.1. Because I was buying a TWSBI 1.1 stub, the salesperson let me try his stub-equipped TWSBI eco. The inks in the two pens were different, but the TWSBI put down a slightly thinner line than the Carene.

[mehandiratta]

Stock stub nibs are not sold as "1.1 stub", just stub. Could be a modification by a nib technician...

 

I have 2 stubs on my Carenes, and I like them very much. Can't check on the width now, as I just moved home and all is yet packed up.

 

 

 

D.ick

I sent an email to Waterman for the nib change...

It has been two months... never received a reply...

I so wanted to try the stub nib...

[Barkingpig]

After looking closely @ my Carene's Stub nib, there is NO marking to indicate size, merely on the reverse section the letters "ST," indicating Stub. I have never felt it was a very broad stub & after reading this thread went to my ultimate authority, Mr John Mottishaw's "Nib tipping size chart," @ "Classic Fountain Pens/Nibs .com," where he lists the Waterman "Stub" as a .9mm tipping, while an Omas is 1.2. My Visconti nib is engraved 1.3, & since both these nibs are more flexible than the Carene, it is no wonder I have always found it small, in comparison to other stubs I use. I don't remember what my Delta is, but again it is more flexible than the Carene, so it likely appears perhaps broader than it is.

 

My Carene is a Factory Installed Stub, I ordered it as is & it has had no modification so I find Mr. Mottishaw's chart to be pretty accurate when comparing my pens with "factory installed nibs." It is an extremely useful source of information for comparison since many makers do not have or adhere to ANY general size classification. One companies F, M, or B may be quite different from another makers.

[Chrissy]

I have a Waterman Carene with factory stub nib, and I find the feed easily able to cope with ink flow to the nib. Carene's have huge feeds inside their grips, so I don't think they are known for having any ink flow problems.

 

Also I don't find my Waterman factory stub writes a line as broad as 1.1mm.

[RMN]

Yes, serving from memory, I would say a .9 is about right.

 

 

D.ick

[ItsMeDave]

After looking closely @ my Carene's Stub nib, there is NO marking to indicate size, merely on the reverse section the letters "ST," indicating Stub. I have never felt it was a very broad stub & after reading this thread went to my ultimate authority, Mr John Mottishaw's "Nib tipping size chart," @ "Classic Fountain Pens/Nibs .com," where he lists the Waterman "Stub" as a .9mm tipping, while an Omas is 1.2. My Visconti nib is engraved 1.3, & since both these nibs are more flexible than the Carene, it is no wonder I have always found it small, in comparison to other stubs I use. I don't remember what my Delta is, but again it is more flexible than the Carene, so it likely appears perhaps broader than it is.

 

My Carene is a Factory Installed Stub, I ordered it as is & it has had no modification so I find Mr. Mottishaw's chart to be pretty accurate when comparing my pens with "factory installed nibs." It is an extremely useful source of information for comparison since many makers do not have or adhere to ANY general size classification. One companies F, M, or B may be quite different from another makers.

 

I agree with you regarding the accuracy of Mr. Mottishaw's chart.

I like the idea of a .9mm stub. Given that I'm having issues with the TWSBI stub that I purchased, and have to go back to the retailer, I may try that Carene again.

[pajaro]

My fine and medium Carenes tended to dry out between uses when I worked. I was having to keep a spray bottle to spritz them with water to restart them. Perhaps the stub would pull more ink and keep itself moist. I put my extra fine in a desk pen trumpet. Perfect solution.

[miel]

I had never experienced ink flow problems or hard starts with my Carenes - not with the stub or the oblique nibs.

All of them have a decent ink flow with the inks I use.

Sometimes the waterman converters do hesitate to let the ink leave them ... so this might be a problem.

[Left FPN]

I have at least one stub that I can measure and it is 0.8mm across the tip.

 

The outer edges manage to form a fillet so the line may or may not be less. If the paper allows feathering the line will appear thicker.

 

Least we forget the tipping process is done manually so expect some variation in all the nib forms. I have shown elsewhere the totally different tipping on medium and broad nibs.

 

As for 'flow', it has been discussed in length and remains in discussion on the Waterman Forum and other pen manufacturers forums.

[ItsMeDave]

Thanks for the info, everyone, I'm definitely going to give the Carene a second test.