Parker 51 Or 21?

[corgicoupe]

I saw a Parker today at the pen club meeting that raised some questions. The cap said Parker 21, and the wrap-over squeeze filler looked like a Parker 21, but the engraving on the filler said only Parker. The nib looked like a "51" nib, the feed being much smaller than the "21". There was no engraving on the barrel. What was it? Even the owner wasn't sure, but had a $45 price on it.

[JotterAddict62]

Could it have been a P41? I have the same thing happen to me just last week I noticed a P51 I thought with a P21 cap but it was a P41 with a P21 cap. I'm still confused. Pen is in my winter pen restore box for those days you just don't want to go out into the cold and have something to do besides clean house.

[corgicoupe]

Someone did mention that possibility. But I'm not familiar with the 41. The cap clearly said 21, so it was a mix of some kind.

[mitto]

It is a 21 Super. The 21 Super's filler shroud doesn't have '21' on it. The nib is the same as that of a 51 except that it is octanium like the one found on 51 Special.

 

 

Would you post a picture please.

[corgicoupe]

Not my pen, so I can't provide a picture. But your description is precisely what it looked like, so I'll pass that on to the owner. Thanks.

[lyonlover]

Sounds like a Parker Super 21. Be aware that the earliest (and latest, I think?) Super 21s also had a clutch ring that looks very similar to that of a 51.

 

For example, in this picture from Peyton Street Pens. This Super 21 has a 51-style clutch ring and a clip similar to that of a 45.

http://www.peytonstreet.com/pens/parker/parker_super21_black_1.jpg

[mitto]

Sounds like a Parker Super 21. Be aware that the earliest (and latest, I think?) Super 21s also had a clutch ring that looks very similar to that of a 51.

 

 

 

For example, in this picture from Peyton Street Pens. This Super 21 has a 51-style clutch ring and a clip similar to that of a 45.

http://www.peytonstreet.com/pens/parker/parker_super21_black_1.jpg

Further, the 21S may carry the 41 body parts as well the 41 clutch ring that is very much 51 like (sitting flush with the hood and barrel) and it may also carry the somewhat shallow clutch ring original to the later production S21s.

 

 

 

 

 

Did anyone nitice the difference? On the left is a S21 with its own body and clutch ring. On the right is a S21 with the 41 body and clutch ring. There is also noticeable difference in the profile of the two hoods.

 

Edited to add:

 

The camera couldnt catch the color difference in the room light. So here is a daylight picture showing the color difference of the 21 and 41 bodies.

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2016 by mitto