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There may be many reasons.

It may have been a gift or stolen goods.

Or they are unfamiliar with the brand and don't know regular prices.

They may be trolling.

They may have malicious intent, and are planning to post it for sale on an Internet sales forum and are gauging how good their counterfeit is and are assessing whether they can get away with it.

Some may be counterfeiters themselves gauging the quality of their goods.

 

My point is, this forum shouldn't offer a podium for discussion which maybe harmful to the brand and condone illegal practices. I'm attempting to elevate the discussion. Would you rather I created my own thread?

 

My apology for high jacking yours.

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Just beware you do not become someone's lawful prey.

 

In the many years I've been an ebay member, I've purchased two fakes that I was fully refunded for. And both times, I was allowed to keep the pens. One was sent off to Trading Standards, and they apparently liked it so much they kept it. :D

 

So I have never lost any money by buying a fake. As far as I've been concerned, ebay buyer protection prevents this from happening, as long as you adhere to their rules.

 

On the other hand I would never buy from some random web-site that I know is selling fakes, not would I ever give any of them any of my details, nor ever make payment by bank transfer.

 

I think I'm reasonably safe. :)

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There may be many reasons.

It may have been a gift or stolen goods.

Or they are unfamiliar with the brand and don't know regular prices.

They may be trolling.

They may have malicious intent, and are planning to post it for sale on an Internet sales forum and are gauging how good their counterfeit is and are assessing whether they can get away with it.

Some may be counterfeiters themselves gauging the quality of their goods.

 

My point is, this forum shouldn't offer a podium for discussion which maybe harmful to the brand and condone illegal practices. I'm attempting to elevate the discussion. Would you rather I created my own thread?

 

My apology for high jacking yours.

 

apology accepted

They came as a boon, and a blessing to men,
The Pickwick, the Owl and the Waverley pen

Sincerely yours,

Pickwick

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You might wish to address this question to the people who are running that website. And share their response with us. It will be worth a laugh.

 

Two possibilities come to my mind:

1. The vendors are law abiding people willing to lose their shirts selling Montblanc pens way below cost.

2. They are making their own version of Montblanc merchandise and selling it to make a profit.

 

What do you think?

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Because they aren't Montblancs. They are fakes.

 

That's exactly the kind of fake Montblanc site that I was referring to when I said I would never give them any of my details.

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Note the URL. See the name.us.com? That's a domain reseller marketing domain names that sound like major ones. That makes it more difficult to actually track down registry information.

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Here's why..bso.............................................................

 

http://www.whois.com/whois/montblancpen.us.com

 

 

and.....Welcome..bso.......enjoy your time here

 

Your friend and his

 

Fred

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Honestly? Who could believe for more than ten seconds that this is not a fake selling site?

There are so many clues.

1. Prices that do not reflect market value

2. A shady url

3. Badly written and incoherent text

The list goes on and on.

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The fact that so many Chinese markets are making money selling counterfeit replicas of Montblanc pens is troublesome. Even worse is the fact that people fall for it. Here's an example of a Montblanc that is clearly fake:

 

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Luxury-Classique-MB-145-Meisterstuck-LeGand-Wallet-and-Card-Holder-and-Fountain-pen-3-options-on/32739009752.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10068_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10054_10033_10059_10099_10078_10079_10077_426_10103_10073_10102_10096_10052_10050_425_10051,searchweb201603_2&btsid=4abe91e6-346e-47c0-8153-a2abce39999a

 

Why is it a fake?

 

  1. The item comes all the way from China when it shouldn't.
  2. The listing misspells Le Grand as "LeGand".
  3. The pen is not directly referred to as a Montblanc. The listing refers to it as an "MB" pen.

 

These are good fakes, too. Made out of resin and containing many features of the real thing, right down to the word "Germany" under the clip. The reviews are good, coming from people who believe it's real. If that doesn't bother a pen enthusiast like me, I don't know what will.

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Nothing wrong with a fake if you know you are buying one and getting your money's worth.

 

Would be fun to have one and be reckless with it for fun.

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Nothing wrong with a fake if you know you are buying one and getting your money's worth.

 

Would be fun to have one and be reckless with it for fun.

I'm reading this with furrowed brows. You are being very naughty. Edited by meiers
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Nothing wrong with a fake if you know you are buying one and getting your money's worth.

 

Would be fun to have one and be reckless with it for fun.

 

I tend to disagree, as knowingly purchasing a fake only encourages the counterfeiters.

 

I don't see why you cant be reckless with a $1 jinhao (or alike), It does not have to be a replica MB - I'd imagine they both write the same?

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I have been reckless with a 146. That was a memorable experience which involved a brief moment of exhilaration, followed by regret and then a trip to the local post office where I mailed my destroyed writing instrument to the MB Service Center. At least it was an authentic experience which involved real stakes and $340.

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Nothing wrong with a fake if you know you are buying one and getting your money's worth.

 

Would be fun to have one and be reckless with it for fun.

 

Not everyone feels that there's "nothing wrong" with fake items, even if they're bought knowing they're fake.

-- Joel -- "I collect expensive and time-consuming hobbies."

 

INK (noun): A villainous compound of tannogallate of iron, gum-arabic and water,

chiefly used to facilitate the infection of idiocy and promote intellectual crime.

(from The Devil's Dictionary, by Ambrose Bierce)

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My work is in helping prosecute fraud or defending people accused of it, always coming in on the wings of angels...

 

Goes back to the board game Masterpiece and convincing the most gullible at the table to purchase the FORGERY for all the $$$ they have in the game.

 

You haven't seen a MB in someone's possession and when you look at it you do a double take (to yerself)????

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I haven't thought of the boardgame "Masterpiece" in years! :) An old favorite in my family.

 

I haven't seen a fake MB (something with the star right on it) in someone's hand/pocket in a very long time. The friends that I have who are into fountain pens and fine writing are mostly into vintage, and the only fountain pen I've ever seen anyone else use at my office is a a guy who bought some disposable Preppys to see what they were like. Since I work in IT, almost nobody handwrites anything anymore, and if they do, it's with a disposable trade-show-swag ballpoint or gel pen.

 

But my point was that many people have problems with the ripoff, the manufacture and selling of counterfeit luxury items for profit.

-- Joel -- "I collect expensive and time-consuming hobbies."

 

INK (noun): A villainous compound of tannogallate of iron, gum-arabic and water,

chiefly used to facilitate the infection of idiocy and promote intellectual crime.

(from The Devil's Dictionary, by Ambrose Bierce)

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