Pelikan Auch Or Not ?

[Le Vieux]

A recent purchase just came in, and to be honest, I have never seen this model before. Looks like a fattened Pelikan Auch, a bit more fat around the girth, a tad longer than the Auch. Am I looking at a transitional piece, between the Auch and the 450.

 

There is no wording onto the golden band around the middle. The cap sports the usual " Gunther Wagner - Pelikan", cap marbled green (actually some sort of smokey greenish marble).

 

I just want to know more about it.

 

Thank you for your help on this, much appreciated!

 

 

Pictured here, between two Pelikan Auch pencils:

 

 

And again, single shot:

 

[sargetalon]

Not Auch. That looks like a Pelikan 350 to my eye. It was made in the 1950s if that's the case. It was the companion pencil to the 140.

[joss]

This pencil resembles the Pelikan 250, which was the successor of the Auch pencil. It accompanied the later models of the Pelikan 100N (1950s). Interestingly, the Pelikan 250 pencil lacks that gold band in the middle of the pencil:

http://www.pelikan-guide.de/250.html

 

The Pelikan 250 pencil is quite similar to the 350 pencil that accompanied the Pelikan 140 fountain pen. But the marble colour of your pencil and the clip both suggest to me that this pencil belongs to the 100N fountain pen family.

[sargetalon]

All fair points Joss but I still believe it's an early 350. The very earliest 350s had a marbled finish and a tear drop clip that matched the 100N. These were the pencils produced 1950/51. The 100N was made till 1954 so they would have overlapped in production. When the 140 was introduced in 1952, the clip was changed to a beak clip and the finishes were changed and made to match the fountain pens. This is the 350 style that we're most familiar with. This has been my understanding but I'm certainly happy to be corrected if I'm mistaken.

[christof]

this is how my 250 is looking:

 

 

there's no gold band, so probably the other pencil shown is an early 350. Are there any imprints?

c.

Edited November 23, 2016 by christof

[Le Vieux]

The golden band is positively free of any imprints. There aren't any elsewhere on the pen, beside the ubiquitous Gunther Wagner Pelikan on the plastic screw-in cap.

 

I was surprised to see that the Pelikan bird and nest logo on the push button is missing. The Auch has it, this one doesn't.

[Bo Bo Olson]

I have a 450.... Such great balance.

All my life I despised MP's...preferring a pencil over them....even if they had to be sharpened. I had Jotters or similar....bought for school. Used as seldom as possible.

Even my P-75 BP/MP....has a MP cartridge was never a MP for long....as soon as I got a Jotter BP refill the MP cartridge went to the back of the drawer.

I do have two of those old cartridge pencil refill cartridges....one with lead, the other empty. Will have to find out how to refill it.

I do now have to look more at the MP's that fell into my hand, than before, because of that 450.

 

Then by accident I picked up and wrote with my 450. For 6 weeks until I ran out of lead, no fountain pen touched my hand ....Got to find out how to refill it too....in unlike other MP's I have this one seems to have a trick.

 

So my question is how well balanced are the older mechanical Pelikan pencils?

[joss]

All fair points Joss but I still believe it's an early 350. The very earliest 350s had a marbled finish and a tear drop clip that matched the 100N. These were the pencils produced 1950/51. The 100N was made till 1954 so they would have overlapped in production. When the 140 was introduced in 1952, the clip was changed to a beak clip and the finishes were changed and made to match the fountain pens. This is the 350 style that we're most familiar with. This has been my understanding but I'm certainly happy to be corrected if I'm mistaken.

 

I think that our opinions are not contradictory, I just could not nail the model number but the pencil is definitely 350 style. I remember reading something about the pencil style changes in Lehmann & Dittmer's Pelikan book but I do not have the book at hand.

 

Martin Lehmann's Pelikan website pages (http://www.pelikan-guide.de/350.html) actually do mention that the 350 pencil was produced both for the Pelikan 100N and 140 and that the difference is in the clip (and most likely also in the colour).

 

So I think we can agree that it is an early 350 pencil.

[Barutti]

Its always useful to come back and revise old threads..

I handling my pelikan pencils flock and found this Pelikan 250 in box and waranty list.

I wondering if this pencil was produced for Pelikan 140/100N fountain pens in 1956 and designated only for Switzerland?

 

 

[carola]

I must confess, I am not much of a pencil writer, but I got a 450 (probably from around the 1950s) with a pen a few months ago. Puzzled by the question of Bo Bo Olsen from November 2016 if there was a trick to refill the pencil, I inspected mine. I knew there was a piece of lead in there because I had tried that before, pulled it out, detracted the cap and while I wanted to toss the lead in tilted the pen and some more leads fell out. There were several grey ones... and three red ones. At first I thought those were somehow discoloured, but when I wrote with one of them, it turned out they were genuine red leads. I was somewhat dumbfounded as I don´t recall having seen red leads for a mechanical pencil before, even less in a vintage one.

 

And in case anyone still wonders about refilling a 450 - no, there is no trick. You can either shove the lead in from the writing end while keeping the cap pressed down (and risk breaking it) or you just pull off the cap, throw the lead(s) in and keep pressing the cap multiple times until the lead comes out of the writing end. If you have stored two colours in there (like I surprisingly do), you just have to remove the colour you don´t want while doing so.

[Bo Bo Olson]

It took me quite a while to find out how to open the lead container, it was different from and not as easy as my old Jotters.

Actually I had it in mind to go down to my B&M and find out how, when the problem solved itself.

 

I have placed that MP in the living room, in a pen holder in a polished agate plate....so it don't say 'grab me' all the time and prevent fountain pen use.

Edited September 23, 2020 by Bo Bo Olson