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Which 400 Is Older With Or With Out 400 On The Barrel?


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Which 400 is older with or with out 400 on the barrel?

 

I have a 400 OM with out the 400 and less threads and a 400 OB with the 400 and more threads. I have another 400 with more threads marked B but has a D+M nib, it too does not have 400 on it.

 

I don't think it would matter one nib the OM is old fashioned single line and the other OB is the dot filled lettering, The D nib is dot filled. One non marked 400 with and with out dot lettered nib.

 

 

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In reference to P. T. Barnum; to advise for free is foolish, ........busybodies are ill liked by both factions.

 

 

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Thankfully you posted your question in the first 3 sentences because you lost me after that, lol. I've read that 1950-54 had the barrel engraving and 1954-56 was without the barrel engraving (of course some overlap exists while transitioning). I have not independently verified this information though. The source is Werner Ruettinger who has been well versed in these matters historically. Hope that may help.

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My '55 400n Tortoise has the 400 on it, no Gunter Wagner and the nib size is on the nib, not the barrel of the other green stripped 400's.

 

Well, I got to go look somewhere to see the difference between the 400 and the 400n. I had been sure it was a 400n; now I'm not. The piston caps looks on all 4 look so much alike, I either have four 400's or two 400n's, one green & one tortoise, both with 400 on them.

Well it is a brown, if one looks hard enough in at it in daylight (just noticed that, because of the black topped ones I was comparing it too)....about as black a brown as it gets; the same as for my '90's M400 tortoise. The suspected 400n, does have the after '54 400 on the cap besides the barrel.

Of to stare at Ruettinger's site.

 

Still unsure...can't tell if I have four 400n's which would be pushing it or three 400's and a 400 tortoise transition that ain't quite a 400n. Which is more likely.

Is there a link that shows the 400-400n piston cap differences better than Ruettinger's?

 

No, can't put a picture up.

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In reference to P. T. Barnum; to advise for free is foolish, ........busybodies are ill liked by both factions.

 

 

The cheapest lessons are from those who learned expensive lessons. Ignorance is best for learning expensive lessons.

 

 

 

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According to Penexchange....I don't have a 400n :angry: as I thought. The cap is too short, the clip is too short and the piston end is not 'quite' round enough.

 

I do have a tortoise 400(t).....transitional, :rolleyes: in I have the 400 on the cap ring, and according to Ruettinger, the 400 on the cap ring came after 1954. It does have the Gunter Wagner, Pelikan &400 on the barrel end. The nib says B, and not like my other three 400's nib size marked on the piston cap.

400n came in and out in 1955, with an occasional transitional before.

Sigh, I'd been so happy to have a 400N, that I'd never expected to own....and in tortoise.

I have a 400T..... :unsure: :o ....... :lticaptd:

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In reference to P. T. Barnum; to advise for free is foolish, ........busybodies are ill liked by both factions.

 

 

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