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Is this set really a plummer? I doubt it is - seeing picture 4 onwards.

 

 

http://m.ebay.ie/itm/PARKER-51-PLUM-BOXED-SET-C-1949-Extra-Fine-Nib-CLEAN-WORKING-ORDER-/201784273223?nav=SEARCH

 

The picture of the underside of the barrel reveals a burgundy look. The filler case is the right kind for the time, the bright, shiny kind that tends to have the plating flake off. The hood from below looked too burgundy, though. Another case of wishful thinking. I wouldn't try to tell the ignoramus / charlatan seller it isn't plum, though. It would be a far better lesson to him to sell it and have to disgorge the proceeds in a return imbroglio.

"Don't hurry, don't worry. It's better to be late at the Golden Gate than to arrive in Hell on time."
--Sign in a bar and grill, Ormond Beach, Florida, 1960.

 

 

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Poor seller. Have mercy on him. You better save him of the impending return imbroglio.

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Tough love. Most of the time these guys argue with you that they are right. Sometimes they are grateful.

 

Over a long time looking for plum pens, and not really looking for bargains, just trying to separate the false alarms from the real deal, I learned to look carefully at pics, and if plum were not a certainty, pass the item up. A lot of people like to crow about how they got a plum 51 for much less than market value, at a veritable steal. Sometimes they knew the item was plum and they were getting something for nothing, taking advantage of a seller's ignorance. Well it is a dog-eat-dog world and people can look for sleeper bargains. Let the peasants carp.

"Don't hurry, don't worry. It's better to be late at the Golden Gate than to arrive in Hell on time."
--Sign in a bar and grill, Ormond Beach, Florida, 1960.

 

 

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Oggie Near Mint

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Suppose you could choose between these 3 (available from reputable sellers) and you planned to use one, not leave in a box in a closet. Any fair deals here?

 

$405

Standard Sized 51 plum set with gold filled caps. The nib is Medium, close to Fine on a Parker factory nib gage. A beautiful, remarkably clean set.

 

$380

Parker 51 Plum Demi set with Lustraloy caps and chrome trim. Fine nib and very clean box. Repeater pencil uses .036" (.9mm) leads. "8" Date code on barrel.

 

$295

Parker #51 Plum pen. Gold Filled Cap, Aerometric Fill. Year: 1948, Type: Fine Nib - 5 1/4 In. Closed. Near Mint condition.

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Poor seller. Have mercy on him. You better save him of the impending return imbroglio.

 

Interesting how easily you dismiss a seller.

 

The item is mine, and as stated in the listing it is most certainly a plum 51 set.

 

I will accept that I am neither the greatest photographer, or have anything other than a basic camera, but I have had enough 51's through my hands to know what colour this one is.

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Hey northlodge,

 

This sure is an interesting place for us Brits.

 

I know where Rutland is.

 

Many speak................

( there are 2 exceptions for me mitto & hood - both are without question outstanding members )

 

Thought I had joined the epicentre of Parker pen knowledge - I am beginning to wonder....................

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Interesting how easily you dismiss a seller.

 

The item is mine, and as stated in the listing it is most certainly a plum 51 set.

 

I will accept that I am neither the greatest photographer, or have anything other than a basic camera, but I have had enough 51's through my hands to know what colour this one is.

If anything, I was just having a lighter moment with pajaro in the context of his post that he submitted in reply to my qurry and not dismissing anyone in anyway.

 

Notwithstanding, I am sorry for the unintended distress I caused to you.

Khan M. Ilyas

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Interesting how easily you dismiss a seller.

 

The item is mine, and as stated in the listing it is most certainly a plum 51 set.

 

I will accept that I am neither the greatest photographer, or have anything other than a basic camera, but I have had enough 51's through my hands to know what colour this one is.

My apologies. I would have to say I couldn't tell from the pictures. However, when I was looking for a plum set, way back, I used to take the seller at his word, and it hadn't occurred to me that there would be dubious offers. I looked for a plum 51 for years. I do not think they were very common until estate sales put a lot of them in the market as the owners passed on. I finally bought a plum set some time around 2009, I think, for about $209, by sniping an election. During the search I had lost out on auctions ending as high as $425 for a Lustraloy capped pen. The price realized in your auction is, in my opinion, quite reasonable.

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"Don't hurry, don't worry. It's better to be late at the Golden Gate than to arrive in Hell on time."
--Sign in a bar and grill, Ormond Beach, Florida, 1960.

 

 

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I got one a few weeks ago. Full size 1948. I like it!

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Looking for a black SJ Transitional Esterbrook Pen. (It's smaller than an sj)

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Thanks, I'm very happy with the looks and the way it writes.

 

Looking for a black SJ Transitional Esterbrook Pen. (It's smaller than an sj)

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I have two pens & still need the pencil. You buy the pen and I will take the pencil....

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I have two pens & still need the pencil. You buy the pen and I will take the pencil....

You buy the set, keep the pencil and send the FP my way. But what would be the formula of deviding the price between the pencil and the FP?

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You buy the set, keep the pencil and send the FP my way. But what would be the formula of deviding the price between the pencil and the FP?

General rule of thumb is the pencil is worth about 1/3 of the matching pen for a pen that is more desirable.

 

300 pen = 100 pencil

750 pen = 250 pencil

etc

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General rule of thumb is the pencil is worth about 1/3 of the matching pen for a pen that is more desirable.

 

300 pen = 100 pencil

750 pen = 250 pencil

etc

FarmBoy, the examples you gave makes the pencil worth 1/4 and not 1/3 of the FP as you said earlier explaining the 'general rule of thumb'.

 

2/3 and 1/3 for a $400 set would be:

 

266.6 = pen 133.3 =pencil.

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