Best Way To Have A Stub Nib In A Pilot Custom 823?

[Elandaria]

Hello every one.

 

I want a Custom 823 with a Stub nib and I know that there are only two options to achieve this combination: to grind a B nib with a nibmeister or to buy a Custom 743 with a SU nib and swap it with the one you have in your 823.

 

I know there is not a "best" answer, but at least could someone tell me the differences between this methods?

 

Also, how do you compare the width of a SU nib from a Custom 743 to a nibmester's Stub-ed nib from a 823? And how do you compare them to another stub nibs, for example, a 1.1 stub nib from lammy or goulet?

 

 

Anyone?

Edited September 15, 2016 by Elandaria

[deacondavid]

Personally, I would look towards having a nibmeister make a stub for you. This would allow you to have a lot more control over the resulting nib than having to live with what Pilot thinks a stub should be. This is not to say that Pilot makes bad stub nibs - I like the one that I have in one of my Vanishing Points - just to say that a nibmeister can adjust things to your exact preference for width, sharpness, etc. Plus, even the most expensive nibmeister should be less expensive than ordering a 743 will be.

 

I have experience in the latter - I ordered a 743 with a Posting nib with a view to possibly swapping it into my 823 down the road. In my case, I am not aware of any nibmeisters doing work to create anything equivalent to a Posting nib, so it made a kind of sense (at least I keep telling myself that...). If I were to think about a Stub nib on an 823, I would certainly go the nibmeister route (and now that you have brought it up, I am starting to entertain the idea).

 

I hope that this helps!

[gerigo]

The SU nib is VERY narrow. I would say no more than a 0.8 italic. If you like very fine italic nibs, this route will work for you.

 

Otherwise the other option is to actually go for a C [Course] nib, in Pilot's parlance BB nib, which is the widest nib Pilot offers and have it ground down.

[gregamckinney]

The SU nib is VERY narrow. I would say no more than a 0.8 italic. If you like very fine italic nibs, this route will work for you.

 

Otherwise the other option is to actually go for a C [Course] nib, in Pilot's parlance BB nib, which is the widest nib Pilot offers and have it ground down.

 

This goes to the heart of the question. How wide a stub do you want? The "B --> stub grind" approach doesn't produce that wide of a stub.

That is what I have, and I would say it is well narrower than 1mm, probably more like 0.8 or 0.9.

 

Also consider the sharpness of the nib/ line that you want. A custom ground nib can be made sharper (more like a CI if that is what you favor) than you are going to get from a SU.

 

Best Regards, greg

[ailevin]

I'm going to jump on the nibmeister bandwagon. BTW, the 823 is a lovely pen

 

I prefer fine italic nibs, but having them custom ground gives me more choice over the variation of line width (essentially sharpness of the edge). It also ensures that I have a well adjusted pen tuned to my writing angle and flow preference.

 

I have learned that different craftsmen mean slightly different things by formal italic, cursive italic, and stub. It helps if you have a pen from your collection that you can take with you and they can use as a reference. Then if you tell them you want it just like this, or wider and sharper, they will be able to get you exactly what you want.

[Elandaria]

So there is not much difference in the resulting width between this two methods (just .1mm), but there is a lot of difference in the final feel of the nib.

And if I want a larger width I should buy a custom 743 with a BB nib (because that nib is not aviable in the 823), ground it down, and then swap the nib into my custom 823.

 

Sounds like a lot of work, but it doesn't matter because it worth it; having the perfect pen with the perfect nib (for me).

 

Thank you so much for all your advices!!

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