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Are Stub Italic Nibs Difficult To Write With?

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#21 ian1964

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Posted 09 August 2016 - 23:35

Recently I purchased 2 "Italic/Stub" pens and the results couldn't be more different and in one case really disappointing. Both brand new and from the same retailer.  Firstly, a Lamy Safari with a 1.5 Nib which is truly lovely. A fantastic smooth nib with great line variation and all for 15 Euros. Secondly, a Pelikan M800 Italic Broad special edition for 265 Euros. To me the Pelikan  is just a big fat nib with little line variation and a horrible "baby bottom". 



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Posted 10 August 2016 - 00:04

The tricky thing about older pens is you don't always know if the pen in your hand came from the factory like that.

I have an old Sheaffer calligraphy pen where the tip/edge of the nib is SHARP.  I have no idea if it came from Sheaffer like that or if the prior owner sharpened it to be like that.  As Bill said, it caught me off guard.

 

Just the corners, or the writing edge?

Just the corners. They are very smooth as long as you stay on the sweet spot where the corners are not digging into the paper.


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Posted 10 August 2016 - 02:33

To answer the original question,... my answer would be no

Writing with an edged (italic) nib is not difficult.  These nibs do require you to control both the angle & the rotation of your pen's section more than conventional (stiff) nibs.

 

A relatively constant angle of the pen & an absolute minimum of rotation of the section should allow you to find the nib's "writing edge".  It will take a little practice to be able to make consistent contact with this edge.  Once you develop the muscle memory to make all this happen, then writing with edged nibs becomes a real pleasure.

(All my pens have edged nibs of one kind or another & I'm a happy man.)

 

I humbly suggest you take time to "learn" to find the optimum writing edge for each individual stub, cursive italic or formal italic nib (be it factory or custom). 

Stubs allow you a little more latitude in pen/nib positioning & often they are first italics that are recommended.  Stubs are more forgiving of your hand position, allow you to work at speed & make terrific "daily writer" nibs (particularly in smaller sizes).

Enjoy!   :D


Edited by tinta, 10 August 2016 - 02:40.

Sailor 1911 Standards (14c nibs): *Black/gold, 0.8 mm. stub *Burgundy/gold, 0.6 mm. "round-nosed" CI & 1.1 mm. CI, *Sailor Profit Standards: Brown & Red Marbled Mozaiques, (machined acrylic/rhodium), 1.0 mm.CI & 0.8 mm. stub *Kaweco Dia2 14c M,B,BB 0.5 mm, 0.8 mm, 1.0 mm. (BLS) *Kaweco Stainless Steel Lilliput 14c 0.6 stub * Montblanc 254, 14c BB flügelfeder factory stub

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Posted 10 August 2016 - 12:09

The great thing about the Lamy pens is that the nibs are pretty cheap and simple to change so if you don,t like the 1.1 it's an easy fix to get a round nib in your favourite size. One of the most fun fountain pen purchases are the calligraphy kits- they come with a variety of different size nibs to swap about and play with to your hearts content- examples such as the ones from Parker based on the Vector, vintage Osmiroid etc generally very inexpensive and good fun.

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 02:31

My brother had a Visconti with the 1.3mm stub nib. He let me try it. It took me a bit to get the hang of it, but I got it that day. He helped me with suggestions. The angle is part of it. Trouble is, that was several years ago, so I don't remember his advice that helped.

It didn't take me long to like stub and italic nibs better.

Once you try yours, you might see the results and think no difference. I thought that until I used a different ink. I have a Safari with the 1.1mm nib and the Lamy Coral ink. I see the thick and thin variations with that ink. I wish Lamy had a 1.3mm.

They have both 1.5 and 1.9 mm nobs in addition to the 1.1.


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Posted 13 August 2016 - 01:02

Be careful, stub and italic nibs tend to grow on you.  Now when I buy a new pen, I get it in a broad nib, and immediately send it off to have the nib reground to a stub or CI (cursive italic) point.

Those are practically all I use.  95%+ of all my user pens are stubs and italics.

 

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Posted 13 August 2016 - 02:19

Be careful, stub and italic nibs tend to grow on you.  Now when I buy a new pen, I get it in a broad nib, and immediately send it off to have the nib reground to a stub or CI (cursive italic) point.

Those are practically all I use.  95%+ of all my user pens are stubs and italics.

 

Best Regards, greg

I'm fully with you. 

Except for a stubbish MB factory BB, all my pens sport some form of custom edged nib: a stub or a CI. 

The fee for a regrind is always factored into the price of a pen.  In fact, it's the edged nibs I really want,  more than the pens.  

Perhaps I'm obsessed?  :D


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Posted 13 August 2016 - 02:24

Nah, the stubs, italics and cursive italics are fun.  They are not hard to use.  They can be enticing and habit forming. 


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 13:08

~ Reading this older thread has been an education.

 

I'm glad that OP SolberM asked this question, which has lately been in my thoughts.

 

The many replies posted have brought out various subtleties.

 

The handwritten posts from amberleadavis and from Noihvo are especially instructive.

 

My hesitation about writing with a stub has been lessened by what's been explained here.

 

Thank you to all who've posted.

 

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 14:41

Stub nibs are GREAT.

 

If you tend to write fast, you will have to slow things down when you use a stub.



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 18:45

Nah. That’s early days when folks pick them up. A week or two to get used to them and I find they’re faster cause they float on all that ink.





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