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Moore Flat Top Replair. How To Replace Clip?


jmckag

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Greetings all.

 

I have a Moore 95 with a broken pocket clip. I recently found a replacement clip. The challenge is how to remove what is left of the old clip and install the replacement clip. I see there is an inner cap so my guess is that has to be removed first.

 

Any help on the technique of removing the inner cap and replacing the clip is much appreciated. Thanks.

 

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I, too, wanted to replace the clip on a Moore pen. Mine is also a Jade L-95. Exactly the same as pictured in the original post.

I acquired a donor cap, a Moore L-96 with a pristine clip, and proceeded to try and remove the inner cap.

 

I have one of Laurence Oldfield's inner cap extractors and have had no difficulty in removing many inner caps with it. I feel quite comfortable and competent using it.

 

But this inner cap would not budge. Nothing worked.

 

Given that it was a donor cap, I was not concerned about damaging it. So I heated, soaked, and got very aggressive with the inner cap extractor. Nothing worked at all.

Finally, I decided to cut the cap open and remove the clip "surgically." With the cap filleted open it was easy to get to the clip and "harvest" it without doing any damage to it. Along the way, I was impressed that the inner cap was very solidly glued into the cap. No amount of soaking, heat or use of the extractor would have gotten it out.

 

So, now that I had my clip, the next step was to get the inner cap out of my "good" cap, the Jade L-95. This one I did not want to damage!!. So, I followed Oldfield's inner cap extractor directions exactly (directions which had worked for me many, many times before) and, again, I got nowhere.

 

And, that's where things stand right now. The inner cap remains in the Jade L-95 cap and the replacement cap has not been mounted. It does looks like the replacement clip might be able to be mounted by inserting it through the existing clip holes on the cap top. The clip is held in place by two small hook like prongs which I think could be inserted into the holes in the cap at 90 degrees to the longitudinal axis of the cap and then locked into place by twisting it the 90 degrees so it aligns with the longitudinal axis of the cap and fits into place. But that would anchor it into place between the outer and inner caps which I do not think is how Moore assembled the clip to the cap originally at the Factory. Or, did they??

 

Both my cap and my clip remain undamaged and I would really like to finish up this project. Does anybody have any suggestions.

 

PS: I'm wondering if the reason why there were no responses to the original post in the thread back in 2016 is because no one has been able to get one of the inner caps out of one of these Moore caps??

 

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Only a fraction of the people here have done significant work on a Moore Pen. You are drawing upon a very small pool of people with experience with your specific task.

The best I could suggest is post some pictures of the "donor cap" in it's current state, to include zooms of how the clip is mounted in the donor cap. Although there is little

Moore-specific experience, someone might notice something useful in the pictures which would be useful.

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Thanks for your reply. I plan to do exactly as you've recommended.

 

I literally "stumbled" upon the 2016 post by jmckag which initiated this thread late last evening while searching for something else.

 

The donor pen has been gutted and its clip harvested. However, the clip and cap in need of it are both in great shape and I'll make photos of each to try and illustrate what I am asking.

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Thanks for your reply. I plan to do exactly as you've recommended.

 

I literally "stumbled" upon the 2016 post by jmckag which initiated this thread late last evening while searching for something else.

 

The donor pen has been gutted and its clip harvested. However, the clip and cap in need of it are both in great shape and I'll make photos of each to try and illustrate what I am asking.

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I eventually went with a professional to fix the cap. I left the pen with Jim Baer of Monomoy Pens at the Commonwealth Pen Show a year or two ago. I got it back all repaired and in great shape. It was one of those repairs I knew was beyond my ability.

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Seney724, are there corresponding holes on the inner cap (or were there on the donor inner cap)? If not, maybe the two prongs were intended to lodge between the cap and the inner cap (total WAG on my part, I have no experience with this).

 

Also, how malleable are the prongs? Can they be unbent and then re-bent without incurring metal fatigue (if you can tell)? If there are holes in the inner cap, maybe you're supposed to straighten the prongs enough to get them through the holes, and then re-bend them from inside the cap, although that doesn't sound like it would hold the clip very sturdily.

 

I have a Moore X93, also a flat top, with what looks like the same clip. I see no evidence of the prongs inside the inner cap, so they must be sitting between the inner and outer caps. I have never tried to remove this or any other inner cap, so I'm no help to you there, but I wonder if there was any sort of slot in the outside of the inner cap that would have held these prongs in place. Otherwise it seems like pressure of the prongs would not be good for the celluloid of the cap.

 

Which brings to mind shrinkage. I wonder if the celluloid on your cap (and the donor cap) has shrunk a little and that is what is holding the inner cap so firmly? If that is the case I have no idea of a remedy, sad to say. Just my meanderings as I think about your problem, I hope you can find something useful in them.

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Seney724, are there corresponding holes on the inner cap (or were there on the donor inner cap)? If not, maybe the two prongs were intended to lodge between the cap and the inner cap (total WAG on my part, I have no experience with this).

 

Also, how malleable are the prongs? Can they be unbent and then re-bent without incurring metal fatigue (if you can tell)? If there are holes in the inner cap, maybe you're supposed to straighten the prongs enough to get them through the holes, and then re-bend them from inside the cap, although that doesn't sound like it would hold the clip very sturdily.

 

I have a Moore X93, also a flat top, with what looks like the same clip. I see no evidence of the prongs inside the inner cap, so they must be sitting between the inner and outer caps. I have never tried to remove this or any other inner cap, so I'm no help to you there, but I wonder if there was any sort of slot in the outside of the inner cap that would have held these prongs in place. Otherwise it seems like pressure of the prongs would not be good for the celluloid of the cap.

 

Which brings to mind shrinkage. I wonder if the celluloid on your cap (and the donor cap) has shrunk a little and that is what is holding the inner cap so firmly? If that is the case I have no idea of a remedy, sad to say. Just my meanderings as I think about your problem, I hope you can find something useful in them.

Hi Paul-in-SF

Thanks for your response and efforts to help out.

 

No, there were no holes in the inner cap. It seems sure to me that the prongs of the clip are supposed to fit in between the outer and inner caps.

 

The prongs themselves do not seem to be very malleable and, even if they were, I'm not sure how one would flatten them down once inside the outer cap after having been inserted through the holes.

 

I do think that the prongs are supposed to sit in between the inner and outer caps, so it must be do-able. Your idea of straightening them to insert them and then getting them bent into shape is probably correct. The question is "how to?"

 

I tried seeing if they might be able to be positioned at some angle so they could be slipped through the holes without straightening them..... but I could not make this happen.

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I had the same problem a few years ago with an L-96. I chose to send it to a "professional" out west. Bad mistake, despite this person's online reputation. The clip was simply glued in place. At the same time this person also "installed" a lever (not the box, but just the lever) on a very nice Waterman 452 filigree. Well, it was nice when I sent it. He installed it without removing the overlay! Yep, just pried up the overlay around the lever opening to gain access. So, it has a sort of "hand hammered" finish around the lever now.

 

Be careful about who you send your pens to!

 

Good luck on this repair and be sure to let us know how it works out.

 

PS I won't name the "repair" person here, but if you need to know, send a PM.

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