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Cloudy Ig Residue In Piston Filler

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#21 glorfindel

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Posted 28 August 2016 - 04:38

Gabriel, what other inks do you have in your collection?  DSS is a stainer, I have never had the IG Turquoise stain.  DSS will come right out after a few uses of an ink that is a good cleaner.

 

+1 to what Amber said.

 

IG Turquoise is very saturated, but I've never had any staining issues with it. Oh yeah, and I love the color.

Sargasso Sea is a well-known stainer, so maybe that's where your problems come from?

 

Amber: what good cleaner inks do you have in mind?



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#22 glorfindel

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Posted 28 August 2016 - 04:47

Ah, you probably mean Sailor Do-You?



#23 amberleadavis

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Posted 28 August 2016 - 04:58

Actually, I've had great luck with several.  
 
Check out this thread:
 
http://www.fountainp...ate-bsb-stains/
 
and

 

http://www.fountainp...el-rattler-red/


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#24 amberleadavis

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Posted 28 August 2016 - 04:58

What is ink is amazing for ... getting out stains.  With just one use, the pen went from this:
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To this:
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#25 amberleadavis

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Posted 28 August 2016 - 05:01

And from this:

 

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To This :  (Sorry that it looks yellow, it isn't and if you look, the months have changed.)

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#26 amberleadavis

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Posted 28 August 2016 - 05:03

Anyway, I am a big believer that you should clean your pens between color changes and change your colors often.  :)


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Posted 29 August 2016 - 13:35

Just be sure that you clean the pen - completely - when switching types of ink.


Thanks! The FC 66 cleaned out perfectly after using KVZ IG turquoise. I refilled it with Montblanc Irish Green. I plan to use this up and refill with the Iron Gall Turquoise, switching back and forth for a couple of months, being more careful to clean between uses of different inks. Appreciate this thread!

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Posted 29 August 2016 - 14:17

Gabriel, what other inks do you have in your collection?  DSS is a stainer, I have never had the IG Turquoise stain.  DSS will come right out after a few uses of an ink that is a good cleaner.

Amber, these are all my inks I have in this moment:

 

Diamine Asa-Blue
Diamine Emerald
Diamine Majestic Purple
Diamine Midnight
Diamine Oxeblood
Diamine Presidential Blue
Diamine Registrar
Diamine Sargasso Sea
Diamine Sherwood Green
Diamine Sunset
Iroshizuku Kon-Peki
KWZ IG Blue #6
KWZ IG Turquoise
Noodler's BBM
Parker Quink Blue
Parker Quink Washable Black
Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black
Pelikan 4001 Brillian Black
Pelikan 4001 Brillian Red
Platinum Carbon Black
Platinum Pigment Blue.

 

I did not use Diamine Sargasso Sea also since the "Eco incident".

 

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 21:25

Use these two in your Eco.

 

Parker Quink Blue
Parker Quink Washable Black

 

Let me know if you see an improvement.


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Posted 31 August 2016 - 13:15

Use these two in your Eco.

 

Parker Quink Blue
Parker Quink Washable Black

 

Let me know if you see an improvement.

 

Thank you! I will try and will let you know.



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Posted 01 September 2016 - 16:34

Actually, I've had great luck with several.  
 
Check out this thread:
 
http://www.fountainp...ate-bsb-stains/
 
and

 

http://www.fountainp...el-rattler-red/

 

I think the content these two threads are priceless.

Is there a chance of making them "stickys"?



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Posted 02 September 2016 - 23:02

I will add them to links of interest.

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Posted 03 September 2016 - 06:48

I will add them to links of interest.

 

Thank you.



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Posted 04 September 2016 - 22:11

Thanks! The FC 66 cleaned out perfectly after using KVZ IG turquoise. I refilled it with Montblanc Irish Green. I plan to use this up and refill with the Iron Gall Turquoise, switching back and forth for a couple of months, being more careful to clean between uses of different inks. Appreciate this thread!


Excellent. Next time, take pictures and we will add this to the cleaning thread.

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Posted 09 December 2016 - 13:48

Sorry to bump this topic, but unfortunately I've had it happen again :(

 

This time a new TWSBI Eco, first inking, and with a new bottle of KWZ Foggy Green. Again I believe there's physical abrasion of the barrel by the piston when I went to flush the ink. I'll try to get some macro shots this weekend to show the tiny scratches I see through the loupe. The piston is resistant enough to moving back now that I don't think I could get it out without breaking the piston assembly (I pulled the nib & feed to finish the flush from the front with a syringe, but I'm afraid the body is done for anyway.)

 

Noting that there was another user earlier in this topic who had the same issue with another KWZ ink and an Eco, I'm still wondering if there's some very specific interaction between some component in some KWZ inks and the lubricant used by TWSBI. (But I also see in my ink log I've used a KWZ Dark Brown sample in an Eco without incident, and similarly KWZ Honey in a TWSBI 580AL, so it's not all KWZ inks, or at least not always.) I think I'll contact TWSBI, and if Konrad sees this thread and has any ideas that would be good to hear as well.


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Posted 10 December 2016 - 22:29

I'm sorry this has happened. I'll look forward to the pictures. 


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Posted 11 December 2016 - 19:01

Here are the best pics I could get: first is front-lit, second is side-lit, third is a full-res detail of the second. (Pen is nib-up, with the piston at the top of the pic.)

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Posted 11 December 2016 - 19:17

Coming at this from another angle.

In cars, lubricants do not scratch without something solid in the lubricant. Such as a bearing coming apart releasing metal shavings or another substance mixing with the lubricant, such as coolant. I have had wheel bearings burn up, literally, because of a loss of grease.

What I see is the grease, on this case silicone, no longer present allowing the micro pieces of iron in the IG ink to come out of suspension. The other possibility to me is the silicone grease holding onto pieces of iron and scratching that way.

I suggest not using IG inks in pain fillers, only C/C pens.

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Posted 11 December 2016 - 19:31

And yet the same Foggy Green in a treasured Omas Ogiva is effortless and caused no piston problems to date.

 

I've actually had a bit of sluggishness with the standard Cherry in an M1000 as opposed to the greased lightning of IG Red #1 in the sister pen. Have to wonder if I'd rinsed sufficiently before inking with the Cherry as the Pels are on their first use since my last house move.



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Posted 11 December 2016 - 20:08

Fuzzy Bear: This one was Foggy Green, not an IG ink. I agree, there's clearly got to be some solid particles doing the scratching. I noticed no scratching in the initial filling, so I don't think the lubricant had particles to start with. I'm puzzled. :huh:







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