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Help With Dating 1St Generation Parker Vacumatic Junior

vacumatic junior date reverse trim 1st generation

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#1 Zed

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Posted 05 April 2016 - 19:38

Hello there,

I have just restored this 1st generation Parker Vacumatic Junior in Mottled Silver Pearl Celluloid with the Gold trim

rather than the usual Silver trim. The pen is in extra fine condition with no brassing and excellent transparency...

 

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This reverse trim Vacumatics are pretty rare but this one seems a bit odd. This is because the imprint seems to date

the pen to the first quarter of 1940 – as 0 and the three dots indicate. But as far as I know the 1st generation Junior

was made only until 1938…

 

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Under extreme magnification the 0 might be possibly interpreted as a squashed 6 but this would make even less

sense as Parker introduced the dot dating system only in the second quarter of 1938.

 

 

Perhaps the 0 is a squashed 8. But this would mean that it still predates the introduction of the dot dating system

or that this pen is one of the first Vacumatics with the new dating system in place… According to Richard Binder’s page

concerned with Parker’s Date Coding Systems “the earliest pens with three dots should be from 1939. However, some

pens made before the changeover exist with both dots and two-digit dates. Some of these pens have patterns of dots

that match the first (quarter) digit, while others have patterns that do not match.”

 

Unfortunately, the nib this pen came to me with is a Parker replacement nib (as I believe the R and the hole in the

base of the nib indicate) from the third quarter of 1946.

 

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Still an excellent nib as you can see bellow…

 

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I would be very interested in hearing your opinions!

 

Thanks beforehand,

 

Zed


Edited by Zed, 06 April 2016 - 16:49.


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Posted 06 April 2016 - 03:38

Is it a lockdown filler or a speedline filler pen?
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#3 Zed

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Posted 06 April 2016 - 08:38

Oh, I forgot to mention this. It is a lockdown filler.

 

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If it was a speedline filler I would be truly perplexed about the pen as the short blind cab should not be able to accommodate a speedline filler... Still anything is possible when it comes to this pen...  


Edited by Zed, 06 April 2016 - 16:40.


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Posted 06 April 2016 - 09:22

My inclination is towards a 1936 Junior



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Posted 06 April 2016 - 19:26

Is it a lockdown filler or a speedline filler pen?

 

Just in case it is useful to learn to look vacs:

 

- In the topic title "was written" lockdown reading "1st" generation.

 

- In the photo "was written" lockdown too simply looking the short blind cap.

 

Dinner is prepared here, next day I´ll write about other aspects of this pen.


Edited by Lazard 20, 06 April 2016 - 19:35.


#6 RamonCampos

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 06:05

Hi, could we see a code date photo with more contrast?



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Posted 08 April 2016 - 20:44

This two pictures are the best I and my camera can do. I would say that these pictures show that the 0 is really a 0... or perhaps C...

 

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Edited by Zed, 08 April 2016 - 20:51.


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Posted 09 April 2016 - 19:30

Although certainly could have other possibilities, I would eliminate 1936 for the following differences:

 

1) "U.S.A." centered under "MADE IN" isn´t normal until 1937.

2) One digit isn´t normal until 1938.

 

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On the other hand, I would eliminate 1938 because considering that 2 digits and maximum 2 dots system penetrates into second quarter of 1938,the first quarter (3 dots as pen´s topic) of a year with this system, 1 digit and maximum 3 dots, would next year i.e., 1939 first quarter.

 

So that although we have this color uncatalogued since 2 years ago I wouldn´t rule this barrel comes from 1940; if so this pen would have a curious story to tell.

 

 

Footnote. Entered the '40 we turns see newly some USA imprints not centered but that is irrelevant now and here.


Edited by Lazard 20, 09 April 2016 - 19:35.


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Posted 09 April 2016 - 22:41

From the top picture I would say that it is a raised five in a circle with three dots around it



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Posted 18 April 2016 - 19:50

It could very well be a 0, denoting 1940.  There are plenty of known examples of lockdown pens with 1940 date codes.  I have a few myself.  Don't really know why they exist, but they do.

The bottom pen in this picture is a lockdown Oversize pen.

 

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